Obviously you despise Qantas so it's hard to assign any rationale to your posts sometimes.

Which part of what Sunfish said isn't true?

What part do you think is incorrect? I think it’s sadly very accurate.

Good job ZL. You got all the money, no-one else got a cent.
come on aerial, how about a bit of balance in YOUR statements

I've heard Q management might be threatening a 5 year wage freeze for any staff member who watches the episode..

aerial: Try juxtaposing Qantas staff singing “I still call Australia home” and the little leprechaun talking about outsourcing and international competitiveness and you might be as annoyed as I am.

Qantas was given billions in Covid support by the former Liberal Government yet it still craps in the faces of Australian workers and provides an expensive but second rate service to the majority of its customers.

‘’You might ask me what a true “ flag carrier” would do differently.

But wouldn't that tosser Zeta Reticull be an even bigger pratt? He doesn't even know where the West Island is FFS. Hope he's not an actual pilot, just a wannabe.

Ditto. It’s all shock and ‘new news’ to the average punter, but to those in the industry it’s common knowledge that Qantas is the ‘toffee coated turd’. Started when Dixon inherited the reigns, and it has been escalated under the miserable Alan Joyce.

You are a head-case mate. Go and seek help. And thanks for the Ardern/communist/renting off the government quip but that doesn’t apply to me. Spent my career with ANZ, retired to AUS and contributed towards Australia’s aviation economy before fully retiring here. I’m sitting very comfortable with numerous investments spread across numerous areas so I won’t be joining you on the rental roundabout mate, but you have fun with that ok. 🤣

I’ve had 4 random friends message me to ask “is this true” after watching last nights report - I think it’s made aware -what we’ve all known, to the wider general public.

And it shows, as the transport minister has just announced she is now looking into the numerous Qantas safety reports raised on the show (and any others). Wonder how many more will (anonymously) come forward to ensure safety standards aren’t reduced any further?

Do you have a source? The Hon CK MP media department has failed to upload her media release.

Will the transport minister consult with CASA’s CEO, who herself is a bureaucrat with no aviation experience, to look into safety at Qantas? Of course not, CASA’s only concerned with ensuring that its executives get 1a when flying, along and free tea and biccies in the Qantas lounge.

It’s worth noting that Four Corners did not contact the Civil Aviation Safety Authority regarding any claims made in the program. CASA has since reiterated that it has confidence that Qantas is operating safely.

Official response.

The extent of “looking into” will be CASA confirming they are happy with current ops. And that will be it.

"Last night’s program was raised during Labor’s caucus meeting earlier today. According to a caucus spokesman, King said the ramping up of aviation was creating many problems post-COVID lockdowns, and she was happy to look at a range of issues. “My job is to ensure aviation remains the safest in the world,” she said, according to the caucus spokesman."

https://www.smh.com.au/national/aust...%20investigate

Is continually stating that "Safety is our No 1 priority" in response to anything and every incident that occurs to a QANTAS aircraft, playing the 'safety card'?

Just once it would be nice to read a headline that says "Airline takes on more workers to ensure its safety record is not blemished" or "Airline pays workers more to maintain it's safety record" or even "Shareholders take a hit as safety becomes No 1 priority". Fat chance.

So basically it will be “I’ll look into it”, so she’ll contact CASA, they’ll confirm that they’re happy with how current ops are going and all Safety Management Systems are working and that will be the end of that.

Oh, a herald link quoting another anonymous source. Until announced CK is not really investigating anything. As mentioned earlier CASA were not contacted and CASA don’t seemed bothered.
Last nights 40minute rant didn’t really raise safety in regards to airworthiness, there was that ground worker man handling the ULD tho, hopefully he gets the training he needs to get back up to standard that’s a real safety issue there could loose a hand doing what he did. oh and that LAME pretending to forget the oil cap, I was not sure what he was really trying to demonstrate with that actually.
Shame they didn’t take AJ up on the interview either, that was a real chance for them to hammer him with the tough questions and put him on the spot.
QF have a lot of work to do to improve their image 2011 they were in the hole im sure they will get back to where they need to be.

Il join the Qantas bashers! Flew around the country (4 flights) with Virgin last week. No problem. Booked one flight Gold Coast cairns with this joke of an airline called JETSTAR/QANTAS. Cancelled by text last night. Re-booked a few hours ago with Qantas from Brisbane. Get a text just then to check in online. Now the flight has disappeared, booking ref not found etc. Do the flights go up just to tease now? What an absolute shambles of an sh#t show Qantas is. Really feel for the staff.

I disagree with the comment above that nobody outside the airline industry cares what happens in Qantas. It was once one of Australia's most trusted brands, and the fact now that 4 corners does a show on just how bad it is shows the level of anger people feel because something they depend on to move around is now just a chaotic, surly, uncaring mess.

So were Arnotts, Speedo and Holden. There was a certain year when the SLF were jumping on C-130's and aircraft that were foreign registered in order to get around. It was also a chaotic mess yet the SLF were not boycotting air travel. The FF program and travel contracts with business will keep the "outraged" public traveling with Qantas. What I hope is that Ita will be as outraged at QF security taking a microphone of her journalist as she was against the Government for their raid on ABC premises. I would like to see handbags at 5 paces as she takes on the QF CEO.

It is not the FF flyer program and contracts that keep people trying to book with Qantas (as opposed to actually them doing the "flying")..it is the fact that it the major partner in what is in effect a duopoly for the major cities. For International, i think you will find that Qantas is already probably one of the least favored airlines to book with as there is competition. I know with myself and peers, we will fly Qantas if there are no other options, which is often the case. The point still stands though, as an airline it is now an absolute cluster. I think the comparing the national airline with Speedos, biscuits or Ansett is a bit far fetched,

Yet international flights are full and they want to get all the 380’s back ASAP to cater for increased demand, for a company that’s supposed hated and booked as a last resort the load factors tell a different story.

Dr Dre, just stop. We both work there, we both know that its a **** show. Load factors reflect supply and demand. Look how few options there are to return JQ's stranded passengers for example. There simply aren’t enough seats right now, and when there are we will be the carrier of last resort.

I am skilled at making happy horse**** announcements to the passengers but somehow I think its going to take more than that to make the punters happy.

Why would 4 Corners contact CASA? they are a current affairs program voicing the concerns of a group of employees. It's the employees concerned that should be contacting CASA, but then again, I've seen how CASA can handle such complaints by telling said individuals to go through the internal SMS, and then sending an email of that to the QF HR manager identifying the naughty child who complained.

The general message is that currently critical workers are at their wits end/limits and the safety issue is somebody is going to make mistakes, that another tired and stretch worker will not catch and so on. They are not saying that there is particularly one thing that is dangerous. Then there's the blatant lie where they said they were using disinfectants and cleaners and not, and then got caught out because worksafe had fined them, for not using cleaners and disinfectants. That then leads to ask what other BS is floating around being denied by management.

Why does Alan have the slicked back hairstyle these days? Is it due to balding? He looks like a pint size mafia hit man who should be carrying a violin case with a machine gun inside it. A massive 8 pound head on top of two tiny shoulders. He gives me the creeps. And as for his apology spiel that he recorded, that was one of the most insincere, unemotional, cue card delivered pieces of utter crap that I have seen in years. Hope he never takes up acting as a career. Just plain woeful.

He has a handshake that makes you want to wash and disinfect your hands afterwards. Only met him the once and wiped my hand down my trouser leg after escaping his limp grip.

It was about brand recognition and who mentioned Ansett?

I feel sorry for you. That would have been a horrific experience, one that may haunt you for life. People like him are weak and soft, they hide behind their office doors and in heavily secured homes. He hired extra personal security after the 2011 grounding. Pathetic.

And how unbelievable a career guys who joined in the early 80's had. Did I hear correctly that one of them was a 747 Captain in his 30s??

That aside I though the pilots all spoke well and weren't to sensationalist.

Absolute malarkey, the check and trainer said he'd been a pilot for 37 years, 34 of those with Qantas or some non sense, after 3 years of flying for me I was only on a 402.

How times have changed.

I’ve had the misfortune of experiencing that as well when he came into our office one day when I was on shift. Ewwww.

You do realise it is quite easy to achieve this today. 3 years in GA. A year or 2 in a US Regional then apply for Atlas. You wouldn’t even need to sit in the back seat like you would at QF.

You blokes are missing al the relevant points - Talking about AJ's hairstyle, and of former pilots career progression 30+ years ago is a complete waste of time.
I do not work for Qantas nor ever have, but I find it appalling that you can have 4 different wage structures/contracts for cabin crew on the one aircraft type. When Steve Long brought that up to Joyce, he merely equivocated that with a dash 8 pilot and and a380 pilot being on different wages. Talk about apples and oranges.

The threatening emails from management to staff reminded me of my time in EK.

QF, like EK, culled too many crew during CV, and now rue that decision.

Fly Perth to Broome on Friday morning your 320 Capt in a Qantas uniform will be paid $180K per year. Fly on the afternoon flight on a 737 and your Capt in a QF uniform will be paid $280K per year.

Wonder how that'll fare when JQ and QF are flying the same aircraft type with similar or very close upgrade times for new joiners..

Simple answer for Alan if he’s so confident with the safety of his outsourced operation would be to make himself criminally liable for anything that goes wrong. If the operation is so safe he shouldn’t have an issue with that surely.

I don't think a 737 captain makes that little at QF.

They didn't mention that those cabin crew all have different flight and duty requirements and different rest requirements on their individual contracts. Pretty sure the poor CSM's need to be aware of everyone's limits and requirements when managing a multi-cross-crewed flight.

Here it is if anyone missed it last night.

By eloquently lecturing the journo that a Dash 8 pilot should not earn the same as an A380 pilot, AJ effectively and inadvertently implied that an A380 pilot should earn the same as an A380 pilot - you can't have it both ways. Here's waiting to see when the Network, Express Freighters and Jetstar A320 pilots receive their increase to QF levels **cough**...also not to forget the Jetstar 787 pilots :=