rex Celebrating 20 Years
 

Full page advertisement in today’s The Australian celebrating Rex’s twenty years of service to the Australian community.

Even PM Albanese gets in on the Rex backslapping.

And another 737 due and 2 more before Christmas
I don't think they are going to pull jet opps any time soon, they must be seeing some potential...

Rex do not have a good track record of following through on fleet planning announcements.

This is what they said in an ASX announcement at the end of June last year ,

And what happened was ... nothing.

Hey remember when they said they were getting ATRs?

You are writing what you want to hear.

The numbers today are nothing short of grim. Absolutely horrendous. The thing is dead and died months ago.

Poppa
Care to share numbers rather that your opinion?
Do you have data, a spreadsheet or even any actual numbers?
I get it, you are dearly wanting REX to fail and you totally love where you work and don't want competition to effect your conditions, so you spot a couple of flights with low numbers of pax getting on or off and extrapolate those numbers to every flight
You see QF JQ and VA with close to full as they regularly cancel flights and amalgamate loads, obviously REX don't have that option, well not yet....

Lets look logically
If, for example, REX jet was performing so badly one would assume
1) They would not be adding more 738s
2) They may sit on current numbers and chase some FIFO work out west and move existing frames over to the west

However
If things look promising one would assume
1) More frames for greater frequency
2) More frames for more destinations and multi sector sales eg Perth to Gold Coast via Sydney or Melbourne
3) REX may well understand that to be competitive in jet opps, they will need a fleet of 20+ to cover destinations and frequency

And let's be honest, the last point scares the pants off you....

VH-MFM is due shortly...

Flew on Rex to Sydney yesterday, 12 total. Never disembarked off a 737 so peacefully!

Let's look factually, Rex has been talking about adding to its jet fleet for well over a year and nothing has changed. They've had the same size fleet since March 2021.

Is that not now a live option given their recent involvement in acquiring Cobham's FIFO operations?

They could achieve greater frequency now with their existing fleet. Their current "frame" utilisation is ordinary, to say the least.

​​​​​​By what convolution of English do you arrive at two 'p's when contracting the word 'operations'?

Do you have a date for that?

MFM is not currently an assigned registration and the hex code quoted in that Planespotters entry is for a GA-8 Airvan. ​​​​​​

Mick
1) Why add frames during the height of the pandemic?
Perhaps if VA were gone, but that did not happen

2) I was referring to growing Cobham

3) In your opinion the utilization is low, they may well have a strategy with a significant uptick with increased frames, to my knowledge they have no 737s parked, can we say the same for VA / QF?

4) Stop being pedantic opps ops whatevs

5) I suggest you have a second look on Planespotters

There is still no registration on the CASA database for MFM

WTF are you talking about now? Rex have been talking about increasing their fleet for well over a year. The world has known that Virgin weren't going anywhere for nearly two years now.

Around this time last year Rex told the ASX that they were adding two aircraft in late August, and increasing their 737 fleet to eight by September last year. Between that announcement and now domestic pax movements have quadrupled. And nothing happened to Rex's B737 fleet.

If they didn't/couldn't add aircraft during that sort of surge in demand what makes now a good time to be adding capacity?

Their utilisation rate is 20-30 percent below QF/VA. I don't know whether they have some form of religious observance policy in place, maybe they all get together and pray for better times (or a grant), but on Sundays half their fleet is still on the ground come mid-morning.

WTF does that mean? They can't put enough bums on seats now to warrant flying their fleet at the rate they should be. What strategy would allow them to conjure up more pax by adding capacity? Magic? Wishful thinking?

Try writing as though English was your first language. All this "opps", "frames", "strategy with significant uptick" nonsense has all the hallmarks of someone who has heard of few aviation terms and then throws them around trying to look like they understand the business.

Why? Did you just send through an update? That hex code, 7C3D80, is for an Airvan and -MFM isn't on the register. What else am I meant to be looking at?

Your claims are just opinions and lies. Nobody asked Rex to start a 737 operation. Nobody asked Bonza to start some fantasy 737 operation. Serving a market that does not exist. I am not about wanting to see players fall over, I’m not about wanting to see operators doing bad, I’m all about a sustainable path forward for this profession. The most sustainable way for this profession over the next few decades is QF/VA/JQ and the regionals/charters. You could say that I’m anti competitive, wrong, simply the market isn’t big enough for more players, the proof is in the history. At the end of the day, what pisses me off is flight crews being screwed over. That’s all these time wasters achieve.

You will find the others are actually already full when they cancel flights. That’s the current issue at the moment, it’s not load related but operations related. Regardless, I haven’t had anything cancelled on my roster or at my base for the last fortnight. The last 3 days not a single seat available.

So you are not wanting to see players to fall over, you just don't want them too start in the first place
News flash, the 2 airline agreement ended decades ago.....
You say Australia is not big enough for 3 players (QF, Link, JQ are all one and the same as far as I am concerned)
Australia has some of the busiest trunk routes on the planet
Thinner routes are served in Asia, the US and Europe by 4 5 6 airlines with 2-4 flights daily
And if you are worried that a bit of competition will see you conditions suffer, you should be more worried about JQ and Network

Seems like the three new -800s are a thing
Rex Brings In More Boeings On Back Of A Bumper July Performance (simpleflying.com)

Busiest routes so that means guaranteed success? Not how it works buddy. Triangle is largely corporate which drives the numbers, all heavily skewed towards Qantas and Virgin with associated huge networks, international feed, corporate deals and so on. Jetstar has the low cost stuff, the other two play for the corporate traffic and premium leisure. All bases are covered, what market is Rex actually going for?

Now to waste 2 mins of my time and prove a point, a good example is this evening in the main trunk run. Virgin is no less than 95% full between 4-6pm. Rex is 20%. Later on tonight it appears the numbers sink further. Again, why do we need a third and fourth airline?

Can you explain to me in detail how this player with a few NGs is going to result in my pay being cut? Are you trying to say they are going to get 30 machines, rip the traffic away from the others, resulting in my employer and others reducing capacity and cutting conditions? Are you on drugs?

Where do you get your numbers, Poppajo?

I’m not speaking on behalf of Poppajo, but I think he/she has a prime viewing position from the pointy end of his/her jet parked next to the REX machines.

Thought I’d join to educate a few on the topic. Is a few online platforms you can use. Not sure which one the poster is using above however if you have a subscription to Nexus, ExpertFlyer, KVS availability, you can see loads. How it works is these companies buy the data from the GDS (as do agents with full access ), they make a business from subscriptions.

Having a quick look I can see Rex loads on Nexus and ExpertF. I cannot see Jetstar or Qantaslink. Qantas is very patchy due to awards. Rex is a simple airline, the numbers are accurate. You can get a free subscription to the second one however I think they restrict viewing. The numbers are good post departure for accuracy with award seats you won’t get accurate data for some carriers. You use these platforms for award planning which can become a very useful tool. For example, Expert Flyer is giving a load for the now departing Melbourne to Sydney of around 30 people. A Sydney to Brisbane flight looks busy. A Melbourne to Adelaide flight about a third. The figures are the same on Nexus, so nothing wrong with the numbers. EDIT- Expert flyer seems to offer a free subscription but limits the amounts of searches to about half dozen flights a day. So anyone can go and suss out loads. I assume this is where the journalist and posters on this site get the loads from.

I’m excited to see a select few proven wrong when VH-MFM arrives from Europe mid this month.

Maybe so, but it’ll just be another 737 flying around with loads that wouldn’t fill a Saab.

Quote from Simply Flying

Heavily booked planes are helping to account for the bumper revenue. Rex's load factor was at 86% across the entire domestic network. Although the airline did not provide a breakdown between its jet-operated trunk routes and its turboprop-operated routes, Simple Flying understands the average load factor on Rex's turboprop services averaged between 70% and 75% in July, with loads substantially higher on the jet services

I'd be trusting this over Jo sitting in his cockpit counting heads

I think you missed the bit about the first three weeks being full across the board? I don’t think anyone said Rexy had light numbers across early July.

Peak season is over now buddy. Things back to normal.

Here is an idea for you seeing how far off the charts your logic is. Join one of the above subscription platforms and report back to us on here how things look, say, this morning? All looks pretty **** to me. That’s right, you don’t want to report single figure numbers back to us cause your precious little Rexy is doing so ****?

So Rex are going to expand because of a bumber school holiday period, if you can’t fill a plane then you never will. But seeing MFM is not on the registry I’m going to take that and slap it on my AC.

This is what I can see on Nexus and ExpertF this morning. These numbers are pulled from the GDS they are concrete. Give or take a few seats below as I quickly counted.

ADL-MEL 60

SYD-MEL 30

MEL-BNE 150

MEL-SYD 60

BNE-SYD 35

Cracking loads, bring on more 73s as they’re needed asap. The reality is as mentioned earlier Australia just can’t support further airlines we just don’t have the population.

They are on a winner! Not!

Their annual results are due out soon. That will be an eye opener you would think.

Notice their share price went up 16+% in two days on about $320K of shares. For a market capitalisation increase of about $24M. Doesn't make sense.

Someone from the Rex social media team must be reading a lot of PPRUNE - their social media is bombarding photos of 737 VH-MFM 😂

I'm surprised Rex didn't ask for a rego out of the unallocated Rs, like RXU.

What a depressing thread. Why are experts posting here, rather than actually managing/starting airlines themselves.

When it comes to Rex, it's the owners money, it's his train set. He can do what he damn well wants. Same for Bonza, same for XYZ.

It seems many of you long for the days when it was "don't talk to me, cause I'm a pilot".

I'm so glad I've left the commercial aviation scene behind me.

You do realise that REX is a publicly listed company, not private.

Thanks for this. Please keep them coming. I need reassurance i left that horrible workplace for the right reasons :)

obviously not into the finance sector

Because we all know Australia does not have the population to support more airlines.

Loads yesterday and today (noting fewer flights today) are not bad. Certainly into the profitable range. Notably they are now able to get bums on J seats - that takes a lot of pressure off yield.

Quote of the day! Correct, it’s a ‘public train set.

Not exactly a public train set, more correctly the shareholders' train set.

However, when you have five people holding 51 percent of the stock, well, nothing cobbled together by management is likely to fail to get majority shareholder approval (executive remuneration aside). KHL has routinely thumbed his nose at basic corporate governance principles for publicly listed companies since the get-go, starting with his dual role as Chairman and Chief Executive.

Affirm.

A few at the lower 100 end however many in the 150-170.

However no flights from Melbourne after 1230. In fact today I can’t see more than about 15 flights. They have about 1% of the Jet capacity today.

20 is an interesting number. It's how many flight crew resignations Rex received this week. One being from the management team!

For Monday
REX
ZL 31 Sydney Melbourne 46
ZL 125 Sydney Melbourne 68
ZL 141 Sydney Melbourne 45
ZL 161 Sydney Melbourne 47
VA
VA 800 Sydney Melbourne 72
VA 816 Sydney Melbourne 36

Anyone care to add more...

Don’t forget the data is only useful post departure. I can see on KVS ahead of time on Virgin, the free capacity, Rex don’t provide such access they have more basic systems.

Those two Virgin flights have 5 and 9 seats available in Y. I can only see passenger to date checked in for Rex. You need to wait for post departure and revisit.