And yet the flag only appeared in 1971......
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What? About the same time as that traditional dot painting style.
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mccrindle reasearch survey 2013
When asked about their level of pride in Australia, 39% of Australians said they were very proud and that hadn’t changed, 31% said they were proud and getting prouder, and 23% indicated that while proud, they were less proud than they used to be. The Australian flag has the nation’s vote for being the image or symbol about which we are most proud. 95% of Australians take pride in the national flag, which is enjoying increasing popularity, with half (50%) saying that they are extremely proud. Almost 7 in 10 Australians (68%) are proud of the Aboriginal flag, with the Eureka flag eliciting the mixed response with 1 in 10 (10%) being extremely proud while 1 in 3 (35%) are uncomfortable with its use. “While Australians have always been understated in their patriotic expressions, the overwhelming majority are very proud of this nation, and the sense of pride is either growing, or at least unchanged for most,” said social researcher Mark McCrindle. “The connection with the Australian flag is also notable – the highest response to it is “extremely proud” and it is the most embraced Australian symbol.” A new Aussie flag isn’t going to see the retirement of either the Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander flags irrespective of how much of those designs are incorporated into the new flag. So thinking a new flag will ‘unite’ the nation behind a new symbol is foolish given both those other flags are likely to remain cherished and in use by those who feel they best represent them. |
Originally Posted by Gne
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What? About the same time as that traditional dot painting style.
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Are there any literary, educational or other grants that are exclusively for non-aboriginal people? No?
Then why am I excluded from receiving money for things reserved for ATSI people? Such discrimination in reverse only serves to continue the Apology Grovelling and dividing our nation. We are all in it together, don't go down the Them and Us road. |
Originally Posted by megan
(Post 11176800)
mccrindle reasearch survey 2013
The survey found 64 per cent of respondents believed the Australian flag should change, compared with 36 per cent who believed it should remain the same. Personally I see the upper left as representing our history, why should we not acknowledge it? |
Originally Posted by Gne
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What? About the same time as that traditional dot painting style.
Gne and the ‘traditional’ welcome to country and smoking ceremonies.. The whole fact non Indigenous Australians only became aware of such practices in the 70's may have had something to do with the social changes in Australia regarding relations between Indigenous and non Indigenous Australians that occurred in the 60s and 70s. With open discrimination still pretty common, learning the cultural practices of Indigenous people wasn't a high priority for most other Australians. |
Originally Posted by RoyHudd
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Are the Australian people really so lily-livered? Well, it seems that they are. Leave the Qantas emblem alone. It is an airline, for heaven's sake. Nothing to do with ancient history.
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Shouldn't an ape feature on the new flag? After all that's where it all began.
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Nope, Welcome to Country ceremonies have been an established part of Indigenous culture for thousands of years, g Make of that what you will. My own opinion is that there were around 500 different Tribes of Indigenous Peoples existant around the time of the arrival of the First Fleet, that they all had these 'traditional' ceremonies, ie 'Welcome to Country' and 'Smoking' is indeed somewhat hard to accept. Considering also, that it is well recorded that most Tribes simply did not get along with each others and quite often engaged in some fairly bloody battles with each other! |
Originally Posted by dr dre
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Nope, Welcome to Country ceremonies have been an established part of Indigenous culture for thousands of years, generally being kept between groups of indigenous people only, but also were made for Dutch and Indonesian explorers 300-400 years ago.
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Originally Posted by dr dre
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Nope, Welcome to Country ceremonies have been an established part of Indigenous culture for thousands of years, generally being kept between groups of indigenous people only, but also were made for Dutch and Indonesian explorers 300-400 years ago. |
Nope, Welcome to Country ceremonies have been an established part of Indigenous culture for thousands of years, https://www.australiangeographic.com...me-to-country/ https://www.theaustralian.com.au/arc...361a5db68c546f https://www.aboriginal-art-australia...hind-the-dots/ Do some reading and make up your own mind, Dr Dre clearly has. |
Originally Posted by Icarus2001
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https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/benn...ut-preferable/
https://www.australiangeographic.com...me-to-country/ https://www.theaustralian.com.au/arc...361a5db68c546f https://www.aboriginal-art-australia...hind-the-dots/ Do some reading and make up your own mind, Dr Dre clearly has. Instead, as is well if not widely known, they were created as recently as the 1970’s by none other than Ernie Dingo and his cobber, Dr Richard Walley However if that "journalist" had bothered to actually check what Dr Walley had said about the practice he apparently created: “It’s an old thing that’s been around for thousands and thousands of years,” Richard Walley OAM told NITV News over criticism Thursday by an historian that Welcome to Country ceremonies are new rituals. “It’s the new interpretation of it that’s quite recent, but it’s connected to something that’s quite ancient.” Dr Walley never claimed to have created Welcome to Country, just start the modern interpretation into mainstream Australia of a long held tradition The Australian Geographic article: For thousands of years Aboriginal people have performed a type of ‘Welcome to Country’ ceremony when one tribal group sought to enter the lands of another. This traditional protocol took many forms, it could be spoken, sung, performed and possibly there would be a smoking ceremony, depending on the traditions of the local group. Almost exactly 40 years ago these ceremonies first began to enter the Australian mainstream after a performance by West Australian Richard Walley and the Middar Theatre at the Perth International Arts Festival (which is on again for another few days) of 1976. Yep that's pretty much what I said In an aviation context some airlines are performing Acknowledgment of Country on flights, not Welcome to Country so this debate is a bit redundant anyway As for the dot art article: Before Indigenous Australian art was ever put onto canvas the Aboriginal people would smooth over the soil to draw sacred designs which belonged to that particular ceremony. Body paint was also applied which held meanings connected to sacred rituals. These designs were outlined with circles and encircled with dots. Dot painting originated 40 years ago back in 1971. Geoffrey Bardon was assigned as an art teacher for the children of the Aboriginal people in Papunya, near Alice Springs. He noticed whilst the Aboriginal men were telling stories they would draw symbols in the sand. Bardon encouraged his students to paint a mural based on traditional dreamings on the school walls. The murals sparked incredible interest in the community. He incited them to paint the stories onto canvas and board. Soon many of the men began painting as well. At first they used cardboard or pieces of wood, which was later replaced by canvas. Bardon helped the Aboriginal artists transfer depictions of their stories from desert sand to paint on canvas. Yep that's pretty much what I said. Indigenous art, some in dots, was first done on rocks, bodies, in the sand even, before being transferred onto canvas. But the art and the stories behind it go way back. Think of it like Renaissance artists painting things like the Sistine Chapel. Artwork made of an artist's interpretation of religious or spiritual stories from long ago. Indigenous spiritual stories have mostly been passed down via oral tradition, but same principal. We don't look at grand examples of Renaissance art and think "yeah these events probably never happened so the art is therefore meaningless" now do we? Aviation context - we've had some fantastic Indigenous artwork on Australian aircraft. Of course those exact paintings weren't done thousands of years ago, but the meaning and stories behind them have a long tradition. Flying Art Series |
Do some reading and make up your own mind, Dr Dre clearly has It's a pity there is no avenue currently available whereby we can learn of the Aboriginal norms and culture. The Alaskian Clinkit native tribe have perfected the teaching of their customs to visitors |
... every Canadian backpacker seems to have one sewn onto their backpack (apart from distinguishing themselves from Americans of course)... |
It's a pity there is no avenue currently available whereby we can learn of the Aboriginal norms and culture. |
The core issue is, when the British came to Australia there were people already living here. It is evident they were here for a very very long time, so long in fact they are considered the first inhabitants of this land or by definition, Aboriginal. There is a flag that represents this fact and is freely available for public use. Considering what it represents it should given sufficient exposure to become readily identified as being associated with Australia. There are Australian aircraft that fly around the nation and overseas, many of these aircraft have a flag painted on their external surface, why not add the Aboriginal flag?
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Originally Posted by Mr Proach
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The core issue is, when the British came to Australia there were people already living here. It is evident they were here for a very very long time, so long in fact they are considered the first inhabitants of this land or by definition, Aboriginal. There is a flag that represents this fact and is freely available for public use. Considering what it represents it should given sufficient exposure to become readily identified as being associated with Australia. There are Australian aircraft that fly around the nation and overseas, many of these aircraft have a flag painted on their external surface, why not add the Aboriginal flag?
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Why not? Go ahead. If you want the “aboriginal” flag up there then also put up the TSI flag. Why not?
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