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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 11243202)
Having been apart of a AOC process before, the issue that I, and others also have talked about, is the Parc/Bonza relationship and getting a AOC approved. Things become incredibly complex should you wish to outsource the entire flight operation, the only people on the Bonza payroll being a dozen or two up in MCY. You could have the best brains in both, that’s not the issue here, nobody claimed these people are idiots, far from it, but nobody has outsourced a safety and training department as such, to a third party. That is why this is being held up, from what I have heard, and exactly as I expected. So perhaps Bonza manages the Safety and Training departments? Again, involves incredible detail from Canberra.
Who is accountable and responsible for the long list of things that Canberra is looking at. Is it Parc or Bonza? Money is irrelevant. You can throw as much cash at the process as you want, and as I have seen before, that doesn’t exactly stop the questions and responses asked to you from our friends in Canberra. It gets to a point, where you just don’t bother and walk away. Much more going on behind the scenes, don’t get sucked in to all the rainbows and lollipops being pushed out from marketing departments. |
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11243289)
I hate to be picky… but it’s aircraft..aircraft has no plural…like sheep. There are no sheeps. I apologise if English is your second language.
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
(Post 11243291)
How is this any different to what Qantas used to do with Cobham/NJS. Cobham was responsible for the AOC and Crew on Qantas owned aircraft.
Agencies are used all over the world, nothing new, however remains to be seen how far CASA will let that stretch here. |
Time will tell when they get a manual together who is responsible. on the other hand, I really can’t see this getting airborne this year.
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I might join them for the fact the Pilot uniform doesn’t have a tie :-)
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
(Post 11243615)
I might join them for the fact the Pilot uniform doesn’t have a tie :-)
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Originally Posted by HappyBandit
(Post 11243646)
I see they've announced cabin crew uniforms. Mix and match apparently. Have the pilot uniform been announced too? I'm sure it won't have that undersized marshmallow man style hat.
The 'Legends' can wear it their way... https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d2fc811d4.jpeg IN PHOTOS: our newest airline reveals its very cool 'Aussie-first' uniforms I wonder if they'll draw the line at a pair of these: https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....dc76c5098c.png |
The “wear it your way” range, featuring Australian aviation’s first-ever on-trend white custom sneakers and cotton T-shirts, allows Bonza staff, called “Legends”, to let their individual personalities shine with various “mix and match” options. |
Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11243588)
Time will tell when they get a manual together who is responsible. on the other hand, I really can’t see this getting airborne this year.
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A classic quote from Asian airline boss when Tiger announced its plans down under ‘They must be on drugs or something’
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The whole uniform debacle is very disappointing to see from my perspective. As pilots we are held to a high standard from operational perspective and grooming. To have this joke of an outfit dress their employees in this way is taking away any professionalism this industry is supposed to have. I hate seeing police being allowed to show tattoos makes them look like…..il stop there my brother will kick my butt. Bad enough they’re wearing mix and match make you feel good uniform if you call it that, but, I do not want to see cabin crew and pilots walking around with tattoo sleeves.
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Those flash white sneakers won’t be so white after a wet walk around.
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Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11243714)
The whole uniform debacle is very disappointing to see from my perspective. As pilots we are held to a high standard from operational perspective and grooming. To have this joke of an outfit dress their employees in this way is taking away any professionalism this industry is supposed to have. I hate seeing police being allowed to show tattoos makes them look like…..il stop there my brother will kick my butt. Bad enough they’re wearing mix and match make you feel good uniform if you call it that, but, I do not want to see cabin crew and pilots walking around with tattoo sleeves.
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We're not ******* superheroes.
Speak for yourself. Looking like an adult to perform an adult role shouldn’t be too much of chore. |
Originally Posted by Australopithecus
(Post 11243731)
We're not ******* superheroes.
Speak for yourself. Looking like an adult to perform an adult role shouldn’t be too much of chore. I'm not saying go to work looking like a hobo, but perhaps the grooming standard at which the airline industry holds itself to is outdated and restrictive. It's time for an update. |
Why does the industry think only way to start an aoc in Australia is to get a group of up and comers and let them try , fail and try again ? Waste of time and money and leaves CASA non plussed ? If a professional outfit can set it up in half the time , at a fixed cost and hand it over to a responsible in house team , would that not be better ?
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It looks like the pool of unemployed baristas is about to shrink slightly (for a while at least).
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Baristas? Two of those dresses look straight from a year 8 high school catalog, the rest are passable for an IT workplace maybe 15 years ago. Crew are going to luv trying to keep those white sneakers clean, would've gone black.
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Originally Posted by BuzzBox
(Post 11243690)
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d8809e554.jpeg
The 'Legends' can wear it their way... https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d2fc811d4.jpeg IN PHOTOS: our newest airline reveals its very cool 'Aussie-first' uniforms I wonder if they'll draw the line at a pair of these: https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....dc76c5098c.png |
Good god there are so many smug aviation experts on this page.
Reminds me of the same miserable comments when Oxley morphed into Impulse then Jetstar ("they'll never get jets" "There's only room for Qantas and Ansett") or when Branson tried to start an airline. Maybe the current Bonza plan appears a little quirky but it is only the current plan. Nothing is fixed in concrete and those who don't reinvent themselves usually eventually shrivel and die. And uniforms FFS who cares! I've been wearing the same boring crap for decades, basically no different now to what it was in the 1950's. Time for a refreshing change and time to stop being know-it-all armchair critics (However, there does appear to be a black hair hanging off the bottom of the lower left bathers, so in these hirsute-conscious times, that might need a bit of attention!) |
They managed to tick all the diversity boxes in the group photo above.
Fair call Al E Vator, I wish them well, I hope they succeed but we have seen the "fresh new look and approach" before, so, you know, its hard to not be sceptical. Speak for yourself. Looking like an adult to perform an adult role shouldn’t be too much of chore. So every other industry has grooming wrong? I'm not saying go to work looking like a hobo, but perhaps the grooming standard at which the airline industry holds itself to is outdated and restrictive. It's time for an update. This is your captain speaking... https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2323898ef4.jpg |
Yeah well, you know that's just like your opinion, man
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001
(Post 11243784)
They managed to tick all the diversity boxes in the group photo above.
Fair call Al E Vator, I wish them well, I hope they succeed but we have seen the "fresh new look and approach" before, so, you know, its hard to not be sceptical. Very personal viewpoint on grooming and tattoos. As far as "every other industry" goes, every five star hotel I go to, every bank I go to, every public transport mode I use...all have smart dress uniform and grooming requirements. This is your captain speaking... https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2323898ef4.jpg |
Originally Posted by kingRB
(Post 11243794)
Yeah well, you know that's just like your opinion, man
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Uniform
I wonder if they actually tested any of this.
That dress is going to go full Marilyn the second there's a hunt of wind, not to mention snag on every armrest as they walk the aisle. The long vest thing will also get caught. White sneakers and tshirts sound fun in theory until they go that lovely grey shade from being washed and tumble dried between min rest trips. 2nd lot of planes based in MEL, but not a proper coat or scarf in sight? Those crew will freeze, even on turnarounds As for the pleated shorts, zoo keepers everywhere want their wardrobe back. They look flattering on NO ONE, not even a size 0 model The only thing I remotely like is the lilac colour and the blazer jacket, bit it's reminding me a bit of Wataniya and we know how they went |
You gotta love that photo, and the pilot in his volleys, ****en embarrassing.
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Originally Posted by tossbag
(Post 11244896)
You gotta love that photo, and the pilot in his volleys, ****en embarrassing.
They are "on-trend white custom sneakers", according to Bonza. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a5e6655631.jpg |
Sorry........I can see the quality stitching. Still, it'll be difficult pulling a root in those.
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Isn’t a uniform supposed to be uniform?
In case of evac how can the pax be expected to recognise/differentiate crew from other pax? |
Joggers are a nice change from the defacto standard R.M. Williams IMO.
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If they are seriously spending money commissioning custom sneakers they have either got
a) pockets so deep that they should frighten every other competitor or b) No clue about what is going to happen to them. |
Isn’t a uniform supposed to be uniform? In case of evac how can the pax be expected to recognise/differentiate crew from other pax? |
Originally Posted by neville_nobody
(Post 11245218)
Really they should just get the pilots to wear their own clothes and have some sort of high viz vest for emergencies rather than this "hampton's casual" look. It's not a sea plane....
Federal offence to not listen to a crew member, bit hard to listen when the workers look like the punters. Standards so lax you might as well “wear it your way” and come to work in what ever takes your fancy for the day. Uniforms serve a primary function in allowing easy quick identification of a person. I couldn’t care less about tattoos, hair length or whether a pilot wears a tie or not. The relaxation in grooming standard is fine, doesn’t affect one’s ability to do a job well. Personally I think they are on to the right idea just may have gone a little to far with it all |
I wonder if it’s acceptable to “wear it your way” whilst attending an interview?
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
(Post 11243720)
Excessive Grooming ≠ Professionalism. It's time to move on. Shaving my face or wearing a tie certainly doesn't make me a better pilot.
You can look professional and take pride in your job (and appearance) without wearing a tie and hat. I'd even argue that the discomfort of being trussed up like that for a 10 hour day on multiple sectors contributes to fatigue. The grooming standards that companies like Rex place on their crew are ridiculous, especially with the way they treat their staff. Really, a regional airline flying to some of the hottest parts of the country in aircraft that have no air conditioning for while the aircraft is parked should have uniforms to reflect these conditions. You can still look professional in a well fitting polo shirt. |
their launch timing couldn't be any worse if they tried. Government's lie about inflation has been exposed - and you can see the swift and rapid effect taking place on markets worldwide. Consumer sentiment and discretionary spending is about to evaporate, along with the bogan holiday market they're targeting.
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Originally Posted by kingRB
(Post 11245691)
their launch timing couldn't be any worse if they tried. Government's lie about inflation has been exposed - and you can see the swift and rapid effect taking place on markets worldwide. Consumer sentiment and discretionary spending is about to evaporate, along with the bogan holiday market they're targeting.
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Originally Posted by mikewil
(Post 11245684)
Exactly. We are in the 21st century so don't need to carry the pompous fashion statements from our industry of the 1960s through to today. Maybe the airlines could bring the pay and conditions of this era through to today to match....
You can look professional and take pride in your job (and appearance) without wearing a tie and hat. I'd even argue that the discomfort of being trussed up like that for a 10 hour day on multiple sectors contributes to fatigue. The grooming standards that companies like Rex place on their crew are ridiculous, especially with the way they treat their staff. Really, a regional airline flying to some of the hottest parts of the country in aircraft that have no air conditioning for while the aircraft is parked should have uniforms to reflect these conditions. You can still look professional in a well fitting polo shirt. Clothes (uniforms) should be fit for purpose. |
You can indeed look professional in a well fitting polo shirt.
A golf pro. Is that the image you wish to project? Sorry boys, the job you want to do isn’t a casual resort worker’s gig. Even my daughter’s 20 something friends, when polled, said they want real pilots, not their douche bag friends let loose in a plane. |
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