What’s your realistic chance of a fully vaccinated person passing COVID to their fully vaccinated family member who has a compromised immune system?

Versus the scenario where neither are vaccinated? The main personal reason I vaccinated was for this scenario where I thought from my research the chance COVID fatality reduced significantly .

How old are your family and friends, Timmy? If they're younger than 60 they have more to fear from the flu.

I don't know STW, it does sound a LOT like you & Gnadenburg are actually doing exactly this in your reply?

the sharing of one's point of view on a social or political issue, often on social media, in order to garner praise or acknowledgment of one’s righteousness from others who share that point of view, or to passively rebuke those who do not

Everyone else is just sharing factual information and actual experience?

"How old are your family and friends, Timmy? If they're younger than 60 they have more to fear from the flu."

they may be but what about all the older and weaker folk they're going to infect? Anti vaxers are all about ME and never talk about US

Just look at China. New blood tests after arrival in HKG, new neighborhood lock downs in Guangzhou. We are far from being over it. Getting vaccinations can't be wrong. However in therory almost everybody would need one to prevent the virus mutating.

Im in Tas and been waiting 4 weeks to get my AZ. Finally got it 2 days ago. No affect on me but the wife has now been off work 2 days with fever.

I posted earlier that my Dad (86) had suffered no side-effects from AZ.

I had mine on Monday and posted the same, however, in the last day or so I have noticed muscular pain and tenderness (perhaps even a little swelling also) around the injection site but nothing else.

Two different views. Like Covid who, what do you believe.

And even a fully vaccinated person can still play host to an evolving virus, in situations where the vaccine prevents illness but still allows a virus to replicate. That appears to happen even with the most effective COVID-19 vaccines. So, viral evolution doesn't just occur in the time between shots.


But researchers say that as more and more people get vaccinated it will rob the virus of its ability to mutate.

Where is this evidence? I'm not aware of any incidents of "the vaccinations" (I am assuming you are talking about the Covid-19 vaccine) killing many elderly. All medications have a level of risk. It is up to the end user to determine whether the benefits outweigh the risk.

In the UK there are many little villages that were wiped out after the various plagues that swept through Europe. Ironically, the plagues helped end serfdom etc as the landowners now had to pay to get folks to work the land.
I digress.
Jab 2 of AZ done yesterday. Happily no side effects (unlike Jab 1). Just a mildly sore arm at the jab site. Unfortunately for travel in the UK, our boofhead of a prime minister and his lackeys are just determined to ruin summer travel plans.

Just had my second jab today with no side effects.

G’day Redo!
Cheers Plugga 😀😀😀😀

Another small addition to the stats. Wife and I had AZ No. 1 yesterday morning - nothing of any note to relate.

Mrs SOPS had AZ two weeks ago. Not even a sore arm. Mine is next week.. will report back.

AZ Thurs Arvo, fatigue by the evening, slight fever and back ache, eye ache the next day. Flattened all day, very fatigued, starting feeling better 24 hours later. Seem to be over it now.

Update from here. Just had *BioNTech 2nd shot last evening. Painless. Almost no after effects. Slight soreness in upper arm, but even less than the first shot.

*Pfizer is a misnomer I was assured.

Had AZ no 1 on Mon 31st May, 12 days ago.
Nil effect / reaction at all....apart from the slight 'drippy' nose cold for last two days.
But ... I reckon I may have got that from 'Grandie'.

Go For It!.

AZ first shot 2 days ago. No adverse reactions

Both shots of AZ done and no reaction. Nada.

My parents - ages 100 and 95 - both had both AZ shots back in April at their Rest Home.
The major side effect is that Mum is now able to Go Shopping for the first time in over a year :D

Dr Byram Bridle Canadian Vaccine Expert - WE MADE A MISTAKE - (covidtruths.co.uk)

Are you aware that the current lead story on that website is this?:

Chemtrails and the Poisons They Contain

The Source is youtube Broadcast, that is the Subject to watch.

Covid-19 Expert Panel: The Path Forward for Canadians - TrialSite Webinar (trialsitenews.com)

Dr Byram Bridle Canadian Vaccine Expert - WE MADE A MISTAKE - (covidtruths.co.uk)

It's raining lotteries in Hong Kong! COVID-19 vaccination can get you Tesla car, gold bar (msn.com)

California's COVID-19 vaccine lottery offers cash prizes - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

Vaccination lottery: a peek at the US$1.4 million flat aimed at moving the needle in Hong Kong’s fight against Covid-19 | South China Morning Post (scmp.com)

VAERS - Report an Adverse Event Step 1 (hhs.gov)

Apparently 1% of Vaccine injuries are entered into the US date base VERS, why? Five pages of data entry per patient.

Trust but Verify.....

The phrase useful idiot has been coined on this thread.

The discrediting of Western government by state sponsored or controlled influencers and netizens has proliferated.The bottom end of hybrid or grey zone warfare. Fake news triggering wild conspiracy theories undermines our style of governance. Now I'm not suggesting our country right or wrong, but here's a tip. To avoid being "Lenin's Useful Idiot" if a website isn't familiar or a source not so well known, to avoid peddling Kremlin disinformation or a wacko CCP netizen building social credits, play internet sleuth with your sources.

So I googled Dr Byram Bridle........

A strong Australian economy in the next few years is so important. Recovering industries, ravaged by COVID, will lend to prosperity and full employment. Our prosperity will need to include supporting and developing our closet neighbours. Further afield we will forge closer security and economic ties and ward of economic coercion and sabotage.

Fractured, divided and a nation run as dysfunctionally as Victoria will suit the CCP. Without firing a shot they can do what the Imperial Japanese Navy could not do in 1942. Isolate the Western Pacific.

So get vaccinated or prepare your children and grandchildren to not only pay off the debt of the last 12 months, but also live under the ominous shadow of tyranny, not for a few years like your grandparents early in WW2, but for decades.

….so, just a regular run of the mill idiot then.

Any website purporting to present scientific fact, that has their header containing a bible (or any other religion’s) verse is an instant pass, and I hope that’s the same for all other rational thinking people.

To then scroll down and see a non-pisstake article on Chemtrails is the nail in the coffin.

Again, if you are a commercial pilot, needing to make fact based decisions to keep punters alive, I do worry.

Well I am 12 hours into having AZ. Did not feel the needle.. arm not sore .. feeling great .Will update in the morning .

Well said.

It's no surprise that most QAnon followers are religious - they have been conditioned to believe **** that is made up and for which there is zero evidence. The other people that follow it are uneducated morons for which the only surprise is that they have not fallen for some man in the sky fallacy yet.

I am not a pilot but when I fly, I want my pilot to be using their skills, experience and judgement and airmanship, not saying a f-cking prayer.

Scientism is the new religion..it requires total faith..will accept no scepticism..and has high priests and demands large offerings of public funds.

bow down

I have every vaccine available to mankind..so do my kids..but this is new technology and I never buy the first model of anything..

​​​….y’all get the vaccine, I’m observing. I might get it next year. I never wanted to be a test pilot

mattyj

mRNA technology/development has been around since the early 90’s.........

And I understand the AZ jab doesn't use that technology anyway.

Had first AZ jab 3pm last Saturday. Hardly felt a thing.
Went out for dinner with family. 2 light beers.
No symptoms at all when I went to bed.
Woke at 3am, aching all over and uncontrollable shivering. I don’t know if I’ve ever had proper flu before - maybe once- (most people say they’ve got the ‘flu’ but I’ve heard it said that if you feel like you’re going to die, it’s not the flu. If it’s really flu you WANT to die)- but it felt the same.
Went back to sleep eventually and woke 3 hours later feeling about 90% ok.
By lunchtime had forgotten I’d even had it.

DHfan

You are right. AZ uses the old ‘time tested’ viral vector process. Similar process to all your childhood vaccinations. It’s quite interesting when you read about it all, both the vaccine techniques. Plenty of reputable information online. I’ve had the Pfizer vaccine, slight headache for a few days after the second shot (I was going to write something about 5G nanochips but decided to not stoke the fire :}:}:})

You don’t need to write it down, the towers automatically collect your negative thoughts. :rolleyes:

Had my first AZ shot nearly three weeks ago and there's been an ongoing problem ever since; the black dot placed on my thumb nail to show I'd been vaccinated spooks me whenever it enters my peripheral vision, for example, when lifting a coffee cup to my mouth or as my hands move quickly across the keyboard, and I reach for the insect spray to kill the bug.

Apart from that everything, body wise, has been normal. With my age and current isolation I've not been able to check on the reproductive side but I'm assured by various folk without those issues that they have only had positive or no effects in that genital area.

MJG

So if a wing fell off your aircraft and you had a Mk.1 parachute available (that had been tested with a 99.9% rate of success) you wouldn't use it because .. see above. Interesting!

So am I correct in understanding your argument here? A wing falling off = 100% chance of death. So the experimental parachute would be used even if its safety data showed it as being 0.1 % successful as you have no other options.

Not really a sensible comparison with mattyj. We have a virus that is 0.01% chance of severe symptoms and a vaccine with similar chance of severe side effects, and you think its not sensible to sit back a wait to see a little more data? When did having another opinion to you become so offensive?

Felt like I have a bad cold all day. And tired. And a very sore arm. Taken a sick day tomorrow . Panadol makes me feel better.

24 hours since AZ first shot, didn’t feel needle at all, so far all good.

Here's some cosmic religion for you:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/pD92lps3vcHJ/