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First AZ shot about 5 weeks ago, absolutely no side effects at all. I only knew which arm it was because I watched him do it.
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Local pain, malaise, chills, rigor are all due to an immune response which is producing neutralising antibodies that in turn produces IgG and IgM and will save your life so I was delighted to suffer :ok:
Some patients who are immunosuppressed (ie cancer patients having chemotherapy) do not produce many antibodies and although we are keen to immunise them they may not be fully protected. They do not seem to get many symptoms when vaccinated. BUT in normal people and professional pilots :mad: there seems little relationship so provided you have had a proper vaccine I would not worry. Pfizer and moderna tend to produce more symptoms on second dose regardless of interval. AZ less so and may be the other way round as you can get a response to the adenoviral vector it contains. |
As this is a requirement of employment are the side effects, if severe, covered by workers comp?
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1st Moderna generated moderate fatigue for 12 hours, beginning 12 hours after shot. 2nd Moderna caused 101.1 F fever, chills, severe fatigue beginning 12 hours after the shot, unable to sleep. Fever gone after six hours, fatigue after another 24.
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Originally Posted by Radgirl
(Post 11030211)
Local pain, malaise, chills, rigor are all due to an immune response which is producing neutralising antibodies that in turn produces IgG and IgM and will save your life so I was delighted to suffer
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Had first dose of AZ couple of days ago. That evening felt pretty unwell with flu symptoms - fever / chills; body pain; stiff neck; sweats and a pretty bad headache. Fine by lunchtime the following day.
I would certainly have been entirely unfit to fly (i did not even feel fit to drive my car). Everyone is different but i'd factor the possibility that you could feel pretty rubbish for a couple of days into your planning. Be safe. OH |
2 Pfizer...11 weeks apart.....sore shoulder after each one...lasted about 12 hours, each one the same re-action.
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Pfizer product used, after first inoculation absolutely no side effects for both wife and I.
Girlfriend reports significant increase in her libido after first dosage. I heartily endorse Pfizer products . |
Pfizer product used, after first inoculation absolutely no side effects whatsoever for both wife and I.
Left handed girlfriend reports significant increase in her libido after first dosage. I can only heartily endorse Pfizer products . I |
Originally Posted by Nigel Osborn
(Post 11029997)
I'm in OZ, in my mid 80s Nife& a type 2 diabetic. I have to have the AZ vaccination, no option.
Has anyone in my age & condition had the AZ & if so what side effects if any. Cheers AZ jab1 end January mid afternoon. Late evening very mild headache, During night I got the shivers, followed by hot flashes. This subsided at sunrise, after which I felt sleepy and lethargic until early evening. In total about 28 hours. AZ jab 2 two days ago late afternoon. No effect until light headache again at about 2300. Paracetamol solved that. Nil other symptoms. Go for it. Good luck Arie |
I would recommend the Pfizer vaccine if available, remember Pfizer also make the little blue pill.
If they can raise the dead they can certainly protect us from the Wuhan flu. |
For all you clowns ranting about having the jab, did you ever consider the big picture.
I had the jab back in February and suffered quite severe side effects. Casa has since suspended my class 1 medical. I am now fighting with my loss of licence / income protection insurer that NOW refuses to accept any liability because the jab is still in the trial phase until the end of 2023. Best of Luck. |
That’s not the big picture. I am sorry, sincerely, for your predicament. The harsh reality is that some people will be adversely affected, but they are a tiny tiny fraction of the covid risk.
The government has indemnified the vaccine makers. Its high time they also gave income support to the vaccine takers-or hefty death benefits to their survivors. Why should a few random unfortunate people have to carry the can for the entire nation? |
Originally Posted by onedottoolow
(Post 11030568)
For all you clowns ranting about having the jab, did you ever consider the big picture.
I had the jab back in February and suffered quite severe side effects. Casa has since suspended my class 1 medical. I am now fighting with my loss of licence / income protection insurer that NOW refuses to accept any liability because the jab is still in the trial phase until the end of 2023. Best of Luck. |
This is a good informative thread, but in addition to side effects experienced if any, I would like to also hear of the facility type where you got the jab, was it in hospital, your GP, a pop-up clinic, a company organised programme, or something else.
Also it does appear the first 24hrs are the most critical for the onset of severe health deterioration, what measures did you put in place to ensure someone will respond if you were to find yourself incapacitated? I'm sure your GP would do the right thing by you but what if they are busy? |
2 x Pfizer. Both times just got a bit tired, had a nap and was fine after that.
This is a good informative thread, but in addition to side effects experienced if any, I would like to also hear of the facility type where you got the jab, was it in hospital, your GP, a pop-up clinic, a company organised programme, or something else. Fuel-Off :ok: |
First Pfizer jab 10 days ago. Slightly sore arm for about 36 hours and that was it.
Organised through my secondary employment. |
Thanks anyway, but I’ll go by trusting my MK1 immune system over this injection or clinical trial as it is at the moment, I was offered it but declined it, this virus has over a 99.5 % survival rate In healthy people, take it or leave it.
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
(Post 11029698)
There was an interesting study re-published on CNN that said the more side effects you suffer after the vaccines the more susceptible to severe Covid you are likely to be. I.e, the most aggressive forms of Covid are normally due to an 'over active' immune response which causes those people to react more to the vaccines. I had the 2 shot Pfizer, had a sore arm after both doses and that was it. My wife was floored for 3 days after the second shot.
edition.cnn.com/2021/04/01/health/covid-vaccine-side-effects/index.html |
Originally Posted by onedottoolow
(Post 11030568)
For all you clowns ranting about having the jab, did you ever consider the big picture.
I had the jab back in February and suffered quite severe side effects. Casa has since suspended my class 1 medical. I am now fighting with my loss of licence / income protection insurer that NOW refuses to accept any liability because the jab is still in the trial phase until the end of 2023. Best of Luck. Safety monitoring continues until 2023 or 2022 depending on the manufacturer, Pfizer or Moderna. Safety monitoring is normal practice for all vaccines and does not constitute a trial per se. As far as I can determine the trial phase is over, engaging a competent lawyer will help . |
Originally Posted by ICEHOUSES
(Post 11030815)
Thanks anyway, but I’ll go by trusting my MK1 immune system over this injection, I was offered it but declined it, this virus has over a 99.5 % survival rate, take it or leave it.
Good for you , but have you considered your plan to avoid vaccination will put others at risk? Worth a thought I’d say . |
Originally Posted by onedottoolow
(Post 11030568)
For all you clowns ranting about having the jab, did you ever consider the big picture.
I had the jab back in February and suffered quite severe side effects. Casa has since suspended my class 1 medical. I am now fighting with my loss of licence / income protection insurer that NOW refuses to accept any liability because the jab is still in the trial phase until the end of 2023. Best of Luck. |
Originally Posted by ICEHOUSES
(Post 11030815)
Thanks anyway, but I’ll go by trusting my MK1 immune system over this injection, I was offered it but declined it, this virus has over a 99.5 % survival rate, take it or leave it.
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Originally Posted by ICEHOUSES
(Post 11030815)
Thanks anyway, but I’ll go by trusting my MK1 immune system over this injection, I was offered it but declined it, this virus has over a 99.5 % survival rate, take it or leave it.
As Jack D alluded to, our family will take the vaccine to protect our elderly parents. Yes, they will have the vaccine but nothing is a 100% guarantee. By inoculating ourselves we pose a much lower risk to them. Also, this is the only way out of this mess and I will play my part to get society back on track. All that you have written is self-centred and focussed only on yourself, look beyond that. |
Originally Posted by Check Airman
(Post 11030942)
I guess the people who died didn't have an immune system...
https://www.worldobesityday.org/asse...2021-Atlas.pdf Death rates were 10x higher in countries where more than 50% of the population is overweight The U.K. has the third-highest death rate in the world (184 deaths per 100,000 population) and the fourth-highest obesity rate with 63.7% of adults classifying as overweight, closely followed by the U.S., which has 152.49 deaths per 100,000 and 67.9% of the population living with obesity. Vietnam, on the other hand, has the lowest Covid-19 death rate in the world (0.04 deaths per 100,000), and also reports the second-lowest rate of obesity (18.3% of adults). The report highlights that there is “not a single example internationally” of a country with low levels of obesity—classified as less than 40% of the population overweight—and high death rates. It's almost like you might be able to conclude if you aren't a fat bastard, or have severe underlying health issues, covid might be a non event for you. |
Originally Posted by ICEHOUSES
(Post 11030815)
Thanks anyway, but I’ll go by trusting my MK1 immune system over this injection, I was offered it but declined it, this virus has over a 99.5 % survival rate, take it or leave it.
Vaccination is a social contract in my view - you’re doing it to look after others as well as yourself. |
Nope. Your just looking after yourself! All vaccines state you can still catch and transmit the virus however your risk of severe symptoms are lower.
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Thanks for this thread - interesting.
If it's not already written up I have a solution for the sore arm after (any) injection. I've extensively tested my method since I was a child and it works. After the needle, simply move your arm as if you were doing bicep curls for 30 minutes. You may get away with less, but I started at 75 minutes and worked down. The last tetanus shot I had I skimped a bit (due age:) ) but still had no pain at all - from the needle. The saw blade wound hurt for weeks though:) |
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Originally Posted by Clear_sky
(Post 11030970)
Nope. Your just looking after yourself! All vaccines state you can still catch and transmit the virus however your risk of severe symptoms are lower.
In other words, vaccination protects the recipient from severe illness and also protects others as contagion is greatly reduced among vaccinated populations , see measles , polio etc. these diseases although not exactly the same do offer some comparative data. The obesity argument does seem to have some merit however reporting from countries like Vietnam is sketchy at best. |
Originally Posted by Clear_sky
(Post 11030970)
Nope. Your just looking after yourself! All vaccines state you can still catch and transmit the virus however your risk of severe symptoms are lower.
In other words, vaccination protects the recipient from severe illness and also protects others as contagion is greatly reduced among vaccinated populations , see measles , polio etc. these viral diseases although not exactly the same, do offer some comparative data. The obesity argument does seem to have some merit, however reporting from countries like Vietnam is sketchy at best. ( no offense intended) one would have to look at far more data to draw firm conclusions, but there does seem to be a link between being overweight or obese and death rates. Most people over 50 in the Western world are overweight in the medical sense, not necessarily very fat . |
After both shots felt a bit dizzy (Pfizer).
After second shot was a bit nauseous for a day and felt strange for another day, that was it. |
I've had double vaccinations. The Russian vaccine is perhaps one of the most underrated vaccine as it is two in one, an RNA and Vector
so both do the same job differently. What one misses the other hopefully covers. You can achieve the same by say getting your two shots of Phizer, waiting a few months then gett AstraZenica Then six months later, get what ever vaccine that is made for the new varients. From the people I've spoken to and my own experience, the first shot rarely has a reaction, its the 2nd shot that gives you body a wake up call to fight covid. A good reaction to the 2nd shot is a good thing. With the Astra Zenica, I got 36 hours of aches and pains, no temperature increase like the 2nd shot of Phizer. Where I am, no one wears a mask and it has a much lower rate of new cases than most other places with requirements etc. Land of the free and brave as they say. |
OAZ: no reaction at all.
Pfizer on my wife: first jab: swelling, soreness & reddening at the jab site that lasted a few days; second jab, no issues whatsoever. My elder brother is a retired dentist and a volunteer vaccinator. He’s jabbed thousands of people. He tells me that the official line, borne out by discussions with those having a second jab, is that side effects of both vaccines have been significantly less than expected. He had joint pains for a few weeks, which is apparently very common. My brother is also pretty sceptical of a problem with blood clots. The data he has access to indicates that overall they are no more common than would be expected from a population of the ages vaccinated and, if anything, are actually lower. Apparently, 20% of hospital Covid patients have blood clots so an issue is hardly surprising. He thinks the odds of blood clots after a vaccine are much lower than with Covid without vaccination even for the very young. |
1st AZ a few days ago. Zero side effects
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Originally Posted by 70 Mustang
(Post 11031246)
But after my second Pfizer shot, I have been having chest palpitations and periods of irregular heartbeat.
with the covid backlog, getting any clear diagnosis will take quite a while. I called and described my symptoms and a visit was scheduled. I went in for the visit and that doctor, quite young, did say that a wrist check of my heart beat was indeed a bit irregular. Blood pressure was all she checked and it was fine. She said she’d schedule an ecg and a blood test. I went in for an ecg a week later and the f..er was on time and normal. I asked if they wanted me to do some exercise for a stress test and they said, no, they are limited to a 30 minute slot and much of it was used up with questions before getting wired up. they keep asking if I am experiencing any chest pain. I have to say, no, but some very strange pounding which might be described as palpitations, but no pain. I went in for the blood test and later that week, a different doctor said everything looked fine other than my cholesterol was a tad high. She said she’d arrange a consultation. I called back the same day, with a question that had arisen after my talking to her and thinking about what she had said. another doctor called back later that evening saying things were not good with the blood test and that she is prescribing statins immediately. A bit concerned by the different interpretations of the same data. phone consultation now scheduled for may 22. I have asked each time for a 24 hour heart monitor but they keep saying, not yet. But if you feel any pain in your chest, call 111! Have a nice day! frustrating that with each call and visit, it is a complete stranger. no longer flying, difficult to afford a full private cardiac consultant. again, no guarantee that this is related to the vaccine shots, but I have never had any cardio issue until after the second shot. and not enough information yet, to rule out the only significant change that might be the major factor. have been advised to say that there is “pain” Jury still out on doing that just to get a bit more priority. I had my Class 1 medical 5 days after my first Pfizer shot. First ECG trace was garbage because the nurse messed up the leads :rolleyes:, so I went in for a second and was rapidly wired up. Second ECG trace showed an inverted T-wave on the V3 line. Doc wants an ECG stress test to check it out, which I have to do anyway because of my age, but it certainly got my attention. ECG taken 5 months ago for secondary employment was fine. Correlation is not causation, and I suspect it was a misaligned electrode, but I’ll know more next week. |
Without wanting to sound like a Wally this could be a bit of a reminder that just cause we think we are healthy...
I had a few minor side effects from the AZ, however I’d rather be vaccinated than not. I have health checks above the yearly medical and am in the extremely fit category. Other people suffering side effects or finding other issues, this could very well just be the conduit that makes you find that ‘hidden’ issue you may have. Yes a little segue. Stay healthy and let’s hope the jab roll out ramps up fast and the world opens. |
Originally Posted by spoiler77
(Post 11033992)
Regarding those cardio issues, more and more is being said out there regarding a possible link between the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine and some reported cases of myocarditis. A quick search on the Internet will reveal the concerns.
To all of you, please remember that all those Covid-19 vaccines have only been granted an emergency use authorization and that clinical trials are still ongoing. A lot of data are still missing and many questions remain unanswered to date. For those at risk of developing a severe form of Covid-19, early vaccination does make sense. For those who recovered or are not at risk, I would simply say: experimental vaccination really merits special caution! What I find the most concerning is that in all pilots that got vaccinated I talked to, none of them told me they wanted to protect themselves against Covid-19, all of them just wanted to be able to travel and/or are hoping to regain more freedom. At the end, everyone is free to make his own risks/benefits balance. The ongoing trial work you speak of, is testing for antibodies to check if and when a booster is needed. Safety has already been approved. The adverse events that do happen, are rare. So much so that each individual event is reported in the news. So with that in mind, there have been more lotto winners than adverse eventers. I would feel ripped off. It is a personal choice to get vaxcinated or not. But I do hope the many (those jabbed) aren't disadvantaged by the few (those not jabbed). |
One AZ shot so far. No reaction.
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First AZ dose in late March, sore arm for 24 hours then back to normal. No big deal. My wife had it a week later (we're both late 40s - was before the <50 recommendation) and she was knocked flat for 2 days. Slept all day, sore muscles, chills. Took a full 3 days for her to be properly back to normal. 19 year old son had it and just had the sore arm for a day.
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