In my dealings with Keg, he seems a decent bloke.

Great to see the Captains get the Settlement that was acceptable to them. And good to see a federal court judge critical of the industrial and legal approach taken by Qantas and rule accordingly.

Its not the big table at Fattie's anymore. You throw out some nasty little hand grenades then expect everyone to move on? "I have spoken and there the matter ends!" It doesn't work that way in the real world.

Lookleft, re “I have spoken and there the matter ends”, I’ll thank you for not putting words in my mouth and misrepresenting me. Moving on was merely a suggestion. Your welcome to dwell there.

I don't believe that Keg presented a 'legal opinion'.

Qantas may have lost the recent case with the TWU, however whether Qantas have 'broken the law' or not has not been finalised. There will be an appeal and at the end of that process the outcome will be known. However, the 'battle' and whether Qantas 'have broken the law' is not the real issue. The 'war' is about what happens to the workers. They have not been reinstated on their old conditions, and probably never will be. The 'war' is about what Qantas have done to the TWU, the FAAA, the ALAEA (and perhaps the AFAP with regards to Jetstar). AIPA needs to make sure they don't contribute to its members meeting the same fate.

The statement about AIPA CoM members infiltrating forums to push the company agenda is absurd. People like Keg are not pushing the company agenda to outsource and reduce conditions, they are actively working to prevent it. Taking the same path as the other unions will likely lead to similar outcomes. Not sure if you were in the industry in 1989, but I see similar grass roots attitudes now that were arounds then. The AIPA leadership were wise enough to avoid that mess. I don't have the same faith in the current AIPA leadership. In fact we have substantially the same Executive members that led long haul pilots to the industrial situation of 2011. The same people had a view that the current short haul and long haul Agreements should have been voted down. Look and see what having an open agreement at the moment means for your Jetstar and Virgin mates.

The argument isn't about standing up for pilots or not, it is about how to do it without shooting yourself in the foot.

Oh the house of fat. When will we get there again :bored:

I am sure there will be words like'we strongly disagree with the courts decision & we always comply & act completely within the law'.
How many times have we seen this before.

https://www.theage.com.au/business/c...03-p58fbq.html

Qantas to stand down 2500 employees in response to outbreaks

The decision will directly impact domestic pilots, cabin crew and airport workers, mostly in New South Wales but also in other states given the nature of airline networks.

Not ideal

These staff will also all be given two weeks notice apparently, with the stand down itself to last for eight weeks. After Sydney has been in lockdown this long, states closing borders etc I am surprised that this didn't happen sooner. As much as some people here like to slam Alan Joyce I think it's worth noting that those thousands of people have remained employed and drawing a full salary even without actually 'working' on flights which have been grounded. Or can people find something to criticise in that too?

No doubt many would be thankful for how it has played out to date this time around, although Im not sure it was simply 'an act of generosity'.

Full Salary...BS
Generous...BS..most 737 crew stood up had close to MGH on their line. Main Line is now seen as a casualised workforce, stood up at the whim of Management, stood down at minimal notice to suit the Industrial Agenda.

Or do you mean generous, as in being paid $10 million dollars for the year, and having a large percentage of your workforce surviving on Government handouts?

QCC never can gauge the workforce, there is too many filters to drown out the real world, staff are angry at how the Ground Staff were dismissed, that are livid about how they have been treated again today. It will be bubbly and bonuses all round in the next couple of weeks when the AMAZING profit is announced.

Spare me the koolaid propaganda.

Agree. Don’t know how people like Melbourne Flyer come up with this dribble!

I think MelbourneFlyer might be Shane Lloyd.

hahahahahaha, profit, hahaha…… oh wait, you’re serious? You really think that you’re going to make a profit? :hmm:

...what was the guidance? I've heard it won't be hit but will be a token one.
When you can eliminate so much cost and manipulate to ensure there's a symbol of your success.

don’t you work for JQ? So isn’t that you as well?

EBITDA, yep. But by the time they write down the value of literally everything to position themselves for transformation bonus MKII, a massive loss.

I didn't say it was 'an act of generosity', those are your words, my point is that nobody can deny that letting these works remain on full salary for all that time while unable to perform their actual duties is pretty decent but that Qantas and Alan Joyce would probably see no acknowledgement of that here, compared to the immediate cries for blood if those workers had been stood down as soon as flights were reduced.

Okay, so I can count on your admission of being wrong when FY21 is loss not profit and there are no bonuses to be paid?

Yes Shane, Qantas and Alan are decent people. Of course they are. Never have the Board and Alan been in it for themselves, never. How rude of people to think otherwise.

Wow, P377, if juvenile retorts like that are best you can do, no wonder your actual opinions seem so ill-informed.