If the situation was reversed and we were talking about Air New Zealand and their lower cost Australian subsidiary, how much sympathy would be flowing westbound across the Tasman?

Anyway, it’s irrelevant. Each pilot body takes what it can. There is no unity, just repeated backing of the horse called “self interest”.

Please excuse my ignorance. Does Air NZ have a LCC subsidiary in Aus?

Hence starting my post with “if” - it’s a hypothetical.

The point of my post was that no group would behave any better or differently than the other, and their perspective of what’s fair or right will generally be based on what favours them.

Also, I said lower cost not LCC -
Qantas - JetConnect
Jetstar - Jetstar NZ

All that happens is everyone feels aggrieved and the various groups fight. Again, everyone just looking out for themselves.

Yes, don’t get me wrong, I did say that Qantas Mainline is the same as every other airline in that it’s own pilots looks after themselves number one. I just always am amazed at the whole ‘well hopefully no one will stoop so low as to take that job’! We are all in this for ourselves and if I can get a flying job in this market that puts a pay check in the account I am going to take it without consideration for how it may affect Qantas Mainline pilots, it is not personal but people have to work and sadly management know it and abuse that fact.

Cessna Jockey,

It must be a struggle not being able to pick up your duty free.

I bet the senior guys in your company who still arent working will be wrapped with your attitude.

Well done.

MCD.

If contracts were appropriate, Duty Free savings of a few shekels a week would not be so important. I'd suggest a serious discussion with a good union rep if you can't join the dots yourself:)

You must not be too familiar with sarcasm. Or bothered to read Cj's first paragraph... :ugh:

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MCD

Qantas pilots lay bare mental toll from not flying

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/...06-p5877h.html

The quicker people realise that Qantas Group Management don’t give a **** about individual employees the better. It is happening across the board, in NZ we had one base stood down while the other flew full time and apart from the first 12 weeks there was NO Government payments, they were on their own. In OZ you have Jetstar 787 Pilots stood down whilst the Narrowbody fleet was looking at recruiting. Management don’t care, they are engineering the survival of the airline to ensure most of the staff may have a future job to return to, that sucks if you are one that has been chosen to sacrifice your salary for 2 years but complaining to Management won’t help. Do what I did, remove yourself from social media, don’t partake in roadshows and press delete on your company communication emails…… you will be much happier.

Good advice. A further bit of advice FWIW, do not consider your employer or your employment to be part of a corporate family. They are not your family and as many people have discovered they are only interested in their survival and are more than happy to have you bare the brunt of corporate decisions. I am all for the QF&JQ social media page as a form of non-corporate communication but casual workplace connections don't last beyond your staff number. My relationship with my employer is limited to, me doing the best job I am capable of doing, them paying me what I am entitled to. If I am part of a QF Group family then that makes AJ the patriarch, no thanks.

Totally agree with Ollie Onion, Qantas Management don't give a damn...you only to read this mornings SMH, with the Yammer post's that have been leaked, to see the total disregard they have for the welfare of their Crew. The absolute BS lies about other positions being available within the Group...sorry, how many crew have got an interview for Alliance or Q-Link Dash 8 positions that were "advertised"...zero. They should be ashamed, but you only have to look at how they have treated the Ground Service staff to see where this is heading.

I havent seen any of the leaked posts but really dont need to.
The attitude of management towards their staff has been disgraceful for many years.
They care little or zero about anyone except themselves & when they tell you how they know how much you are suffering that is BS as suggested above.
The ground service staff f over is a great indication of what they think of everyone but we still have the model employees bending over backwards to help them out.
1 day they will realise they have advanced to #1 on the shafting list.

It really stood out to me when I did that 6 month stint at Woolworths last year. The top tile of the strategy in that place is, customer and team come first. I got to sit in on one of the Town Halls they had there. A CEO who actually cares, and does a good job. Cost is never talked about. No negativity. One Plan. It’s all about the customer and team.

It was actually quite depressing returning back here. Doesn’t need to be like this. All starts from the top. Unfortunately the rot has cascaded right down here. I hope the next generation has better luck.

My advice to the young ones I work with is much the same. Don’t be like these people and the company will thrive. What we see isn’t normal. I look forward to the generation changeover in 20 years I’m sure it will be a better place to work.

Both QLink and Alliance have QF crew who are on either LWOP or secondment. They are on current ground schools and would be close to type ratings/sims by now.

True enough. There have been a few.

There have also been many who have been knocked back such as a S/O with extensive turbo prop time not even getting a look in with QLink.

And lots of boys and girls with 2, 3, 4 or 5,000 hours 320 time that couldn’t even get an interview in the west.

lots of guys with 5000 hours couldn’t even get an interview at Mainline while they hired grade 3 instructors as SOs. There is no rhyme or reason when it comes to recruitment and most of us have learnt to accept that.

Alliance is not part of the Qantas Group.

And as mentioned, there are QF pilots there on LWOP doing Type Ratings.

Experience, and I mean industry experience as opposed to flying experience, is a threat to management. Someone who has been around long enough to amass thousands of hours has also been around long enough to have had their fill of company BS. Some “kid” off the street with dreams of getting to the big time will do almost anything to make it. The rhyme and the reason is industrial, pure and simple.