Qantas Second Officer Jobs
 

Hey Everyone,

I am seeking knowledge and experience from anyone familiar with the Qantas Second Officer role and when it is likely to be offered again? I am a recent graduate at a flying school here in Melbourne with just under 200 hours (CPL, MECIR, all ATPLS) and looking at Qantas as my dream career when things return to normal soon. Does anyone have any advice on the position?

I have also enrolled in a Multi Crew Co-operation and Jet Orientation course, hoping this will help.

Thank you!!!

I’m surprised this hasn’t been jumped on yet..

Here’s the best advice you’ll ever receive. Forget about the shiny jet for 10 years. Enjoy your GA career.

Now please delete this post.

What! An hour after it was posted? Most people have other things to worry about!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Why would you do a “jet orientation course” at this point in your career?

Sorry, where was I? Ohh that’s right, hahahahahaha

Wtf is a 'jet orientation course'. Sounds like a great way to fleece people out of money. Maybe I should start offering one.

Wow, what a great bunch of people here. Someone new to the industry is very politely trying to get the ins and outs and looking for a bit of advice and that's the reaction they get?

Here's what you need to know mate. The industry is going to take a long long time to recover. Any future growth and flight crew requirements are going to be filled by a) stood down crew returning to work b) experienced Jet pilots from Virgin/Tiger/Cathay/Emirates and any other airlines that have given redundancies C) those already on hold files for Qantas (coming from internal transfers from Qantaslink/Jetstar) and D) Qantas Cadets at the affiliated FTA QFPP schools.

The reality is you're probably not going to get into Qantas as a second officer anytime soon. What you need to do is build up your hours. Get a job up north with one of the small operations (Chartair etc) work up a bit of multi time, get into a multi crew regional job and then go from there.

It's a tough gig at the moment and you have to be realistic. I know plenty of ex Virgin 777 pilots that are up North doing exactly that.

Good Luck with it all, we've all done it.

.....oh and ignore the types of people that are in this thread. Aviation is a great career but it's filled with toxic people who think the bigger/faster/heavier/newer their aircraft is, the more entitled they are to behave like a##holes.

Ohh come on pinkpanther, do we have to spoon feed these people? Don’t they do research into the career they’re getting themselves into?

A jet orientation course? Seriously?

Current cadets are nervous enough around facing the axe let alone taking on anymore.

Forget it. Come back in 2030.

Well a Multi Crew Co-Operation course is now a requirement for ATPL issue, I assume this is what the OP is referring to.

Best of luck to you pal, what a crappy time to try to get into aviation.
Bit shocked at some of the responses you’ve got to be honest, we’ve all been dead keen wannabe aviators at some point, and the amount of money you need to recoup won’t help.

The reality is tho, you’re gonna struggle to get into any major airline anytime soon, anywhere in the world.

I have a mate who’s son recently finished his ATPL and had a start date with a major european airline, but has been unceremoniously dumped from them. I have other mates who have been canned from a large middle eastern airline, and are now struggling to get a job driving an Amazon prime van.

Bottom line, right now the demand for pilots is being massively outstripped by the supply of them, many with a lot of big jet experience.

I genuinely wish you all the best, but you’re gonna have to be patient unfortunately. As has been said already, take any flying job you can get in meantime.

Go for it, ignore the crap that’s being spat here. If you are under 35 and wanting to get into an airline post 2022 give it a go.

Research the subject, the information is out there - ignore the Pprune drivel!

MCC is mandatory now, Jet orientation course (JOC) is not. JOC is one of those things dreamed up by flight schools in Europe to get extra money from you. It now seems to have made it to Australia.

Offer good advice, as some have done but why be so nasty. Everyone has to start somewhere and personally, I wish Petra luck

Unfortunately, these JOC/MCC thingys are a real thing here in Europe. A newly minted CPL has to pay a couple of thousand Euros/Pounds for a couple of hours in a jet sim.

Kika

This 'slump' in the airline industry will disappear almost as fast as it arrived. The gauge is not PPRuNe but the oil markets. Airlines are the biggest consumers of oil in the world and the collapse in the price of oil last year was a result of the collapse of the aviation sector. The introduction of a vaccine has changed the scenery completely and the price of oil, rising from $47 barrel to $67 in six weeks demonstrates that the aviation industry is going to take off again.

It will not happen this year but by the end of next year this whole thing may well be a memory.

Go for it.

Good luck with your career Petra.

As you can see from some replies to your post, there are some " interesting" characters in this industry.

Seeking advice from more experienced people is always a good start. Obviuosly, be wary of flying schools trying hard to take your money promising " Catch Me If You Can " style gloss.

GA is an excellent starting point.

MCD.

My first jet orientation was after I got a job flying one. Every airline has their training standards which are designed to bring people into a jet from GA, or designed to bring people on from other jet jobs. You absolutely don't need a jet orientation course.

Take Qantas for example. Starting as an SO is a multi year long "jet orientation course."

Good luck :)

I was once paid a couple of grand to write a jet orientation course for a training organisation. I put a lot into it, and it took me ages, but throughout the whole process I kept asking myself, who is going to pay good money to do this "not mandatory" course? As if we don't throw away enough hard earned dough along the way in our careers.

As for grief being thrown at Petra Ostrich - his post was..............well.............I am a newly minted pilot with 200 hours and want to join Qantas when things return to normal "soon." To me its a bit "here I am, Gen Y, you need me". 200 hours and I want to join Qantas soon. Go learn to fly first mate and drop the sense of entitlement.

I suspect that Point to Point (P2P) flying will be the go in the post COVID environment which will require a much larger number of smaller, long range aircraft such as A350, B787, A321XLR, etc compared to a smaller number of Hub based aircraft such as the A380, B747 & B777. This will obviously require a larger number of pilots so I expect airlines to commence employment of pilots soon after the international market opens up.

It would be smart for newly trained pilots to do everything they can to not only meet the minimum requirements for employment but to do everything possible to be accepted by the airline of their choice. Do your research though as I believe you can waste money on courses that have no value.

Good luck Petra.

100% a troll

Are you all saying that I got ripped off 30 years ago by enrolling in a Cessna Orientation Course?

“Jet Orientation course” ... WTF is that?

Never heard of that let alone completed an “orientation course”

”this is the nose of the airplane, this is the wing, here are the motors - they make big noises”

Troll or not it seems most here are projecting a s seeing what they want to see
:zzz:

“This is the fish - you eat that”

“This is last break - you don’t get that”

”This is my nutso scheme to make money by combining Bitcoin with ostrich farms - you listen to that without smirking”

The short answer is that there will be no Qantas opportunities for the foreseeable future, that much is obvious even to yourself Im sure.

If history is anything to go by then when things do pick up again in the years ahead it will be on a greater scale than most would have expected. The best thing you can do is seperate yourself from the hundreds of other 200hr pilots that have graduated over the prior few years.
For that you need actual flying experience, and thats where your effort should be focused for now.
If the day arrives that doing some dubious course makes you competitive then I'm sure it won't involve more that a couple of days off work to get done.

What is certain is that a couple of thousand hours between now and then will help you reach your goal.

I cant believe all you people took it so seriously; It’s obviously a joke.

Though, I wish people would stop using the term ‘MECIR’. There is no such thing!
‘The term ‘command’ was used to differentiate it from a ‘co-pilot instrument rating’.
With Part 61, there is no more co-pilot instrument rating.
Does the troll mean an IR with a MEA endorsement?
Its written as: IR MEA IAP2D IAP3D if the person also has a 3D endorsement on their IR.

You’re welcome.

With a mentality like that it’s almost guaranteed you graduated from either Swinburne or RMIT, they tend to instil these false likelihoods of Graduate to Jet mentality.

No airline will be hiring for at least the next 7 years and it’ll be usually be in the following order
- Furloughed Staff
- Experienced Jet Turbine pilots with type rating
- Experienced Jet Turbine pilots without type rating
- Experienced twin Turbo-prop pilots
- Experienced twin piston pilots

Qantas mainline stopped recruiting in 2008 and didn’t start rehiring till about 2017 so maybe keep other options open

My advice to you is to get some twin and IF time behind you as well as an instructor rating, work your way up and when airlines around the world are trying to suck up as much pilots as possible then you’ll be in a more mature and experienced mindset to get the position

You are going to have to do what we all did 40 years ago.
Get what ever job you can in GA , in PNG or flying for some mining company AND GET SOME EXPERIENCE.
Cadetship schemes like to get pupils who anti up the cash to think that they are employable. You’re not.
When QF stops recruiting you are screwed.
Spend the next couple of years learning to fly and remember to enjoy it.
I wish at the time I had appreciated how much fun I was having.

If indeed you are not a troll my advice is to get a degree in something useful, IT, Law, Medicine etc, by the time you finish said degree you'll have an idea as to wether the "this has happened before, it'll recover in 2 years" brigade are right (I suspect not as this is completely unprecedented, 60% of pilots are unemployed and as someone pointed out, QF didn't hire for some 10 years when things weren't anywhere near as bad)
Good luck, you're going to need a healthy dose of it

Totally.
Way too much time on your hands, Petra, you crazy dude.

(Can you really have a CPL and a MECIR with less than 200hrs now?
That's some messed up shiz right there!!)

Does a Jet Orienteering Course count?

You know the one, where you get halfway round the early morning walkaround and forget what you’re supposed to be looking for/at/what aircraft type is this.

Cos I’ve never done one.

j3

Troll or not who cares. Good on those being positive and or constructive

I'm bored too, but not as bored as to suppose anyone would actually write ".....looking at Qantas as my dream career" on here, and expect to be taken seriously.
I'm gonna to have to give you a '2' for SA there buddy.

Correct.

The good news for the OP (troll or not) is the loudmouth heros on here aren’t actually representative of the industry as a whole.

Well said.

- Don't take financial advice from this person
- Don't take relationship advice from this person
- Definitely don't take career advice from this person

- Do not take ANY advice from this person

Clueless and wrong.

Jesus, Mc, you and 380 have some history or what!?

Fine.
But why are you self-righteousnessly feeding a Troll?
Imparting your hard-gotten worldly wisdom, for what would stand as a knock-knock joke?


(oh, plus, this forum is not for jobseekers or advice...that's GA &Questions)

Step 1) Be a female.

Do we? To be honest mate, I didn't read who wrote the comment, didn't need to. I can name a few airlines recruiting now, can't keep up with the training load. That the thread is a troll, I don't give a rats about, it's the narrative that's the real message. Mate, if anyone, I'm 'entitled' to reply to the thread the way most have, the jet job I lost ain't coming back, guaranteed. And I'm not of the age that will see me employed by another. But the fact is 'This Too Shall Pass' despite all the petrified ninnies and non resilient babies in this world.

Fair enough, Mc.
But surely you see the intent of the Trollingl?
That a 200 hour pilot is quite willing to take your job.
He didn't want 'a' job out in the bush, he wants 'your' job.
That was Petra's wind-up.
Jesus, man!