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Old 25th Feb 2021, 08:25
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Qantas Second Officer Jobs

Hey Everyone,

I am seeking knowledge and experience from anyone familiar with the Qantas Second Officer role and when it is likely to be offered again? I am a recent graduate at a flying school here in Melbourne with just under 200 hours (CPL, MECIR, all ATPLS) and looking at Qantas as my dream career when things return to normal soon. Does anyone have any advice on the position?

I have also enrolled in a Multi Crew Co-operation and Jet Orientation course, hoping this will help.

Thank you!!!
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Old 25th Feb 2021, 09:37
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Iím surprised this hasnít been jumped on yet..

Hereís the best advice youíll ever receive. Forget about the shiny jet for 10 years. Enjoy your GA career.

Now please delete this post.
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Old 25th Feb 2021, 09:45
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I’m surprised this hasn’t been jumped on yet..
What! An hour after it was posted? Most people have other things to worry about!
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Old 25th Feb 2021, 09:52
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Originally Posted by petra.oskertrich1995 View Post
Hey Everyone,

I am seeking knowledge and experience from anyone familiar with the Qantas Second Officer role and when it is likely to be offered again? I am a recent graduate at a flying school here in Melbourne with just under 200 hours (CPL, MECIR, all ATPLS) and looking at Qantas as my dream career when things return to normal soon. Does anyone have any advice on the position?

I have also enrolled in a Multi Crew Co-operation and Jet Orientation course, hoping this will help.

Thank you!!!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Why would you do a ďjet orientation courseĒ at this point in your career?

Sorry, where was I? Ohh thatís right, hahahahahaha
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Old 25th Feb 2021, 09:56
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Wtf is a 'jet orientation course'. Sounds like a great way to fleece people out of money. Maybe I should start offering one.
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Old 25th Feb 2021, 10:04
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Wow, what a great bunch of people here. Someone new to the industry is very politely trying to get the ins and outs and looking for a bit of advice and that's the reaction they get?

Here's what you need to know mate. The industry is going to take a long long time to recover. Any future growth and flight crew requirements are going to be filled by a) stood down crew returning to work b) experienced Jet pilots from Virgin/Tiger/Cathay/Emirates and any other airlines that have given redundancies C) those already on hold files for Qantas (coming from internal transfers from Qantaslink/Jetstar) and D) Qantas Cadets at the affiliated FTA QFPP schools.

The reality is you're probably not going to get into Qantas as a second officer anytime soon. What you need to do is build up your hours. Get a job up north with one of the small operations (Chartair etc) work up a bit of multi time, get into a multi crew regional job and then go from there.

It's a tough gig at the moment and you have to be realistic. I know plenty of ex Virgin 777 pilots that are up North doing exactly that.

Good Luck with it all, we've all done it.

.....oh and ignore the types of people that are in this thread. Aviation is a great career but it's filled with toxic people who think the bigger/faster/heavier/newer their aircraft is, the more entitled they are to behave like a##holes.
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Old 25th Feb 2021, 10:34
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Ohh come on pinkpanther, do we have to spoon feed these people? Donít they do research into the career theyíre getting themselves into?

A jet orientation course? Seriously?
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Old 25th Feb 2021, 10:40
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Current cadets are nervous enough around facing the axe let alone taking on anymore.

Forget it. Come back in 2030.
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Old 25th Feb 2021, 10:47
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat View Post
Wtf is a 'jet orientation course'. Sounds like a great way to fleece people out of money. Maybe I should start offering one.
Well a Multi Crew Co-Operation course is now a requirement for ATPL issue, I assume this is what the OP is referring to.
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Old 25th Feb 2021, 11:10
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Best of luck to you pal, what a crappy time to try to get into aviation.
Bit shocked at some of the responses you’ve got to be honest, we’ve all been dead keen wannabe aviators at some point, and the amount of money you need to recoup won’t help.

The reality is tho, you’re gonna struggle to get into any major airline anytime soon, anywhere in the world.

I have a mate who’s son recently finished his ATPL and had a start date with a major european airline, but has been unceremoniously dumped from them. I have other mates who have been canned from a large middle eastern airline, and are now struggling to get a job driving an Amazon prime van.

Bottom line, right now the demand for pilots is being massively outstripped by the supply of them, many with a lot of big jet experience.

I genuinely wish you all the best, but you’re gonna have to be patient unfortunately. As has been said already, take any flying job you can get in meantime.
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Old 25th Feb 2021, 12:06
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Go for it, ignore the crap thatís being spat here. If you are under 35 and wanting to get into an airline post 2022 give it a go.

Research the subject, the information is out there - ignore the PPRuNe drivel!

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Old 25th Feb 2021, 14:05
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MCC is mandatory now, Jet orientation course (JOC) is not. JOC is one of those things dreamed up by flight schools in Europe to get extra money from you. It now seems to have made it to Australia.

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Old 25th Feb 2021, 14:07
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Offer good advice, as some have done but why be so nasty. Everyone has to start somewhere and personally, I wish Petra luck
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Old 25th Feb 2021, 15:12
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Unfortunately, these JOC/MCC thingys are a real thing here in Europe. A newly minted CPL has to pay a couple of thousand Euros/Pounds for a couple of hours in a jet sim.

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Old 25th Feb 2021, 18:24
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This 'slump' in the airline industry will disappear almost as fast as it arrived. The gauge is not PPRuNe but the oil markets. Airlines are the biggest consumers of oil in the world and the collapse in the price of oil last year was a result of the collapse of the aviation sector. The introduction of a vaccine has changed the scenery completely and the price of oil, rising from $47 barrel to $67 in six weeks demonstrates that the aviation industry is going to take off again.

It will not happen this year but by the end of next year this whole thing may well be a memory.

Go for it.
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Old 25th Feb 2021, 19:17
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Good luck with your career Petra.

As you can see from some replies to your post, there are some " interesting" characters in this industry.

Seeking advice from more experienced people is always a good start. Obviuosly, be wary of flying schools trying hard to take your money promising " Catch Me If You Can " style gloss.

GA is an excellent starting point.

MCD.

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Old 25th Feb 2021, 19:36
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My first jet orientation was after I got a job flying one. Every airline has their training standards which are designed to bring people into a jet from GA, or designed to bring people on from other jet jobs. You absolutely don't need a jet orientation course.

Take Qantas for example. Starting as an SO is a multi year long "jet orientation course."

Good luck
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Old 25th Feb 2021, 21:17
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I was once paid a couple of grand to write a jet orientation course for a training organisation. I put a lot into it, and it took me ages, but throughout the whole process I kept asking myself, who is going to pay good money to do this "not mandatory" course? As if we don't throw away enough hard earned dough along the way in our careers.

As for grief being thrown at Petra Ostrich - his post was..............well.............I am a newly minted pilot with 200 hours and want to join Qantas when things return to normal "soon." To me its a bit "here I am, Gen Y, you need me". 200 hours and I want to join Qantas soon. Go learn to fly first mate and drop the sense of entitlement.
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Old 25th Feb 2021, 21:44
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It's important to have long-term goals, as long as one recognises that it's just that - long term and several years away.

I would start by looking at the direct entry minimum requirements: 500 hours PIC and current MEIR. So find that first job however you can, and keep your MEIR current if possible, the number of IPC renewals is often a desirable criterion. Multi-engine PIC, multi-engine turbine, and multi-crew hours are all also desirable to have. So there's something to aim for in your subsequent jobs.

​​​​​​However, joining Qantas mainline is extremely competitive. Despite the low minimum requirements, the last tranche of new hires all had several thousand hours on average. This again, emphasises the long-term nature of this goal.

Finally, hours are not the be-all and end-all. Consider other ways in which one could improve one's resume along the way. Good luck!
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Old 25th Feb 2021, 21:45
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I suspect that Point to Point (P2P) flying will be the go in the post COVID environment which will require a much larger number of smaller, long range aircraft such as A350, B787, A321XLR, etc compared to a smaller number of Hub based aircraft such as the A380, B747 & B777. This will obviously require a larger number of pilots so I expect airlines to commence employment of pilots soon after the international market opens up.

It would be smart for newly trained pilots to do everything they can to not only meet the minimum requirements for employment but to do everything possible to be accepted by the airline of their choice. Do your research though as I believe you can waste money on courses that have no value.

Good luck Petra.
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