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Lead Balloon 16th Dec 2020 21:19

One meteorological phenomenon and one person may be substantial impediments to this plan:

Fog.

Snow.

Lookleft 16th Dec 2020 23:19


but it is the silly season.
Exactly. Which is why the whole idea of a Sydney-Canberra seaplane service is just a way to generate publicity.

LB-I see what you did there, tch boom.

BendyFlyer 27th Dec 2020 22:15

Takes me back about 40 years and as some of us may recall this has been tried before by the Late Vic Walton and Aquatic Airways in the 1980s. Same problems - wrong aeroplane, too few seats, too few passengers, too many weather issues and of course the Regulator on top of all that. Nice idea but completely uneconomical at any level!

The Banjo 28th Dec 2020 05:04


Originally Posted by Lead Balloon (Post 10948623)
One meteorological phenomenon and one person may be substantial impediments to this plan:

Fog.

Snow.

wander over to Vancouver and observe the floatplane operation there. Fog and snow don't seem to be a show stopper for them.

harrryw 28th Dec 2020 06:14


Originally Posted by The Banjo (Post 10955664)
wander over to Vancouver and observe the floatplane operation there. Fog and snow don't seem to be a show stopper for them.

Do they have CASA in Vancouver?

Lookleft 29th Dec 2020 01:14

They won’t have CASA and they won’t have “Snow” like Canberra has “Snow”.

ps I got it LB, the others are just a bit “snow” on the uptake.

Lead Balloon 29th Dec 2020 03:08

Ha! And a 'tish boom' for you, now.

SRFred 29th Dec 2020 04:42

Winter extension, on to Jindabyne and the snow fields!

Max Tow 1st Jun 2021 05:31

Perhaps not the most helpful photo (even allowing for telephoto foreshortening)...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-...erns/100180740

layman 1st Jun 2021 09:49

Proposed approach path seems to be downwind for much of the year - as is takeoff.

The yacht club is about halfway along the south side of the proposed ‘runway’.

Was there one day when there were about 20 dinghies becalmed in that area (part of a school holiday sailing program). It took the yacht club about 30 minutes to tow them in.

I think it’s going to take a bit of work to get this running safely.


neville_nobody 1st Jun 2021 10:11

The yacht club doesn't have some God-given right to monopolise a lake. It is a public water course and the aircraft has the same "right" to access it as the yacht Club or any member of the general public who wants to go rowing or sailing. Once it touches down the aircraft is just another speed boat. How it gets into the lake, whether it be by air or a trailer is irrelevant.

Lead Balloon 1st Jun 2021 10:26

...and there is a prohibition on the use of any powered vessel on LB-G.

Some electric vessels, some outboard-motored rowing school support vessels and a couple of tourist ferries have exemptions, but you ain't gonna see any "speed boat" out there on a normal day.

Setting all that aside... walk me through why all the little tackers on their becalmed or otherwise sailboats are obliged to make way for a seaplane.

wombat watcher 1st Jun 2021 10:27

It is straight out garbage.
There can’t be any more competing interest than the floatplanes V the sailboats on Sydney Harbour in Oz.
one of the most under-utilised water areas in Oz is Lake Burley Griffin.
typical parochial Canberra approach.

neville_nobody 1st Jun 2021 10:34


...and there is a prohibition on the use of any powered vessel on LB-G.
I don't live in Canberra so wasn't aware of that one. Could be a problem for the seaplanes.

The sailing boats don't give way to anyone they have right of way. From what I understand of the article they want to have a seaplane lane established on the lake where the boats aren't suppose to go which I gather is what the Commodore is complaining about.

MickG0105 1st Jun 2021 10:56


Originally Posted by neville_nobody (Post 11055161)
It is a public water course and the aircraft has the same "right" to access it as the yacht Club or any member of the general public who wants to go rowing or sailing.

That's not quite correct. Your right to use Lake Burley Griffin for rowing and sailing is largely unfettered - non-powered craft such as sailing boats and rowing boats do not require a permit to go onto the Lake. It's a very different regime for anything that is powered. The National Capital Authority governs how powered craft can use the lake under the Lakes Ordinance 1976. The NCA is fairly restrictive with regards to internal combustion engines on the lake; for example powered boats used for private recreational purposes are restricted to the use of electric motors only whilst on the Lake.

Global Aviator 1st Jun 2021 23:05


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11055183)
That's not quite correct. Your right to use Lake Burley Griffin for rowing and sailing is largely unfettered - non-powered craft such as sailing boats and rowing boats do not require a permit to go onto the Lake. It's a very different regime for anything that is powered. The National Capital Authority governs how powered craft can use the lake under the Lakes Ordinance 1976. The NCA is fairly restrictive with regards to internal combustion engines on the lake; for example powered boats used for private recreational purposes are restricted to the use of electric motors only whilst on the Lake.

Problem solved - electric Beavers! (Ok I know it doesn’t have the range)

:ok:


Foxxster 1st Jun 2021 23:32


Originally Posted by Global Aviator (Post 11055523)
Problem solved - electric Beavers! (Ok I know it doesn’t have the range)

:ok:

electric beaver ? Sounds like an option on one of those Japanese sex dolls.

Lookleft 1st Jun 2021 23:42

I think the 2nd biggest impediment to the whole thing is the single engine performance in case one fails. Those turns required after take-off with a stiff westerly just invoke images of the Potomac Bridge disaster. It will be a "brave" bureaucrat at the NDC that puts their stamp of approval on that proposal.

Global Aviator 2nd Jun 2021 01:26


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11055531)
electric beaver ? Sounds like an option on one of those Japanese sex dolls.

Although I’m sure you know -

https://www.harbourair.com/about/cor...goingelectric/

As for the Japanese... ahhh ok I’ll stop there!

layman 16th Dec 2021 21:53

Next step along the way
 
Report from the ABC
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-...ffin/100707800

NCA support the planned use. Possibly two
operators - Sydney Seaplanes (3 flights a day) & South Coast Seaplanes (once or twice a week)

Working group to address issues raised in the 107 submissions to starting meetings in February.


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