I don't get a flu shot every year and I haven't had the flu for the last 5 years.

I bet you don’t get attacked by tigers either. :p

If you hold a banana in your ear you won't get attacked by tigers.

I haven't had the flu for the last 30 years without a jab. If I do get any symptom of a flu virus, I deliver a knock out blow by nuking
the virus with a server overdose of garlic, onion, ginger. Next day I'm fine. Just the way my doctor told me.
Unfortunately my doctor is no longer with me. He passed away in 370BC. Best doctor in the world. Dr Hippocrates lived a very
healthy life for 90 years. Not bad for back then. He said to me "may food be your medicine, may medicine be your food.
You only die of disease if you invent it. Your body is innate, it adapts."

Hospital bills are often grossly inflated in the USA. If you don't have insurance you can pay cash and get over 50%+ discounts.

There are so many exceptions to closed borders. Dual Citizens, Permanent Residents, Essential Travel.

At JFK tonight, we (AF) are operating 2 passenger flights to CDG, Borders closed both sides and while I can't disclose LF there are many people traveling. The stories of why they are traveling is somewhat heartbreaking so I would disagree with you that sane people are not traveling. By September we will have 3x daily JFK to Paris. We fly pax to Europe, ME, Africa, and China sometimes with help of Chinese partners. Many people have been stuck for months in a foreign country. Very few flights options.

50 percent discount on $460000 US. For cash. Sounds like a bargain!!!

Get a grip.. most people don’t need to, don’t want to, are to scared to travel.

Studies have shown only those who get a severe dose of the virus develop antibodies, so those asymptomatic people in the UK have no immunity, and those who do develop antibodies only seem to have them for approx 3 months after infection, so they can get it again after that. With the long term damage this virus can do to your lungs, second time round things might be much worse. I know a lady in her 70s who got it in March, was in hospital for 6 weeks, recovered, was back home for 6 weeks, then either got it again or relapsed, back into a hospital for a few weeks, has since recovered again and is home. We really don’t understand this thing yet. New data is showing neurological damage in some people after COVID.

As for the flu jab, most years it is ball park 70% effective, ie there’s a 70% chance it will fight off any flu you pick up, so a COVID vaccine may not be the panacea everyone hopes for.

And yeah, don’t follow the English model, their deluded notions of exceptionalism have been badly exposed here, only Bolsonaro, Sweden and the Orange Turd have handled it worse.

Since there aren't any in NZ.....

ICU in oz is the highest standard care in the world. Costs about $5K per day, that’s about 3.5K USD, that’s about 70K USD for three weeks. Half a mill is just gouging....typical. They should give an 85% discount for cash for ‘worlds best practice.’

They have not been seen in New Zealand since they started adding garlic to their roast hogget. It has had the same effect on vampires there too.

Proof that a banana in the ear works. Since I'm not allowed to carry bananas across state or country borders, a local supply must be sought. The time from the airport to a local supplier can be somewhat anxious.

Heared on the wireless today that they estimate that 67% of New Yorkers have COVID anti-bodies in their system. The virus rate is plumeting in NYC so they seem to have achieved herd immunity.

The virus is here now and will be with us until the end of the earth. It was probably here since the early days of the earth.

There is lots of nonsense spoken on here.

Yes, like virus elimination.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www....odies.amp.html

I found a NYT article relating to this. Granted it’s only actually neighborhoods not the whole city with that level of antibodies. Will be interesting if this community’s level of immunity prevents it suffering a second wave.

Exactly, focusing on elimination is useless as Victoria is finding out. Back into lockdown is just stupid, which state is next, how long will state border restrictions be in force? We need to learn to live with this virus. Protect the vulnerable and keep the economy going to fund it.

Why take a COVID patient to a major hospital in a regular ambulance? It’s just nuts! We need COVID dedicated and specifically trained staff, dedicated hospitals, transport and welfare facilities. Highly professional, highly trained health professionals in specialist facilities that only deal with COVID and nothing else. No agency nurses, cleaners, security etc.

A big reason the UK failed, was that it didn’t protect the vulnerable. Suspected COVID patients were taken from aged care homes, to general hospitals, to be sent back to aged care homes due no beds. No risk of transmission there eh? I really think the whole structure of the health care system and the bureaucracy involved is as big a problem as the virus itself.

Instead of splashing $750 cash to 6.6million welfare recipients to buy LED TVs, why don’t we put that money to a COVID sick relief fund for those actually working and too scared to get tested or else lose work. Pay companies to implement continuous testing programs. Government subsidised sick leave for COVID or COVID risk quarantined workers. Higher pay for COVID health care specialist workers.

95+% of us can get this virus and get over it with no real medical intervention. Yes, there is a risk for anyone who gets it that it may become serious, but life is full of risks, much greater than this for most of us.

The latest research is saying antibodies are only good for about 3 months. A new more terrifying consequence is emerging within asymptomatic young people who were otherwise healthy low risk suffering blood clots and stroke.
We have a long way to go, best we do everything possible to avoid infection in the first place. I've seen enough to know we can't trust people to do the right thing.

So, a young bloke just walking down the street is gunna drop dead from blood clots and stroke?

That is absolutely terrifying. I vote we lock down the whole of Australia, inside their houses with absolutely zero permission to leave that house under any circumstance for two years.

This will have the secondary effect of finally reaching our road toll goal of zero deaths. It will also mean zero heart attack, cancer and other health issue deaths. Amazing.

Lets do it everyone, 'We're All In This Together' (Don't just say it, sing it in your best Kum Ba Yah voice).

Nah! that doesn't sound like fun at all. I already have my head around this is likely to take a sizeable portion of the global population, I may well be one of them despite doing all I can to not get infected. I'm more concerned about what the US will do when their all angry and looking for someone to blame.

Well, that'll dwarf the effects of covid eh.

Yeah! That's right, scary isn't it