Sunfish, you’ve made a number of recent posts about QF that haven’t included the specific word ‘Sydneycentric’ (if indeed it is a word). Could you please revert to normal practice? It’s spoiling the drinking game we’ve got going here.

Back into that man cave thanks mate. You speak utter rubbish.

Yes I think they should! However, if one folds, it does not leave a monopoly. If VA or QF fold, it would. Aviation is a different industry that has a wide industry and consumer impact if a monopoly was to prevail.

I do not subscribe to the evil monopoly theory.

Firstly, you are talking Qantas Domestic and Jetstar Domestic?

Qantas International has competition, if anything VAI is barely worth mentioning in this regard.
QantasLink has REX
Network has Cobham, Skippers and Alliance.

So regulate them, or force them to sell Jetstar.

Efficient solutions that do not involve propping up inefficient foreign owned businesses with my tax $$

Sell JQ and it will close. There is too much provided to JQ by QF off balance sheet that JQ would never be able to afford

how does QF subsidise JQ domestically? We’ve all heard the rumours about international losing money/being propped up by QF but I don’t think many people doubt the Aussie domestic operation is highly profitable

S&P has effectively placed VAH on a CCC credit watch with uncertainty and there may be questions of group survival beyond June with the existing cash reserves.

In view of the deputy PM's comments this morning about not nationalising airlines, if the government wants a competitive airline sector, this may present somewhat of a challenge.

It's been discussed on here before about maintenance and fuel being charged to QF

So because it’s been discussed on PPRUNE it has to true!!

with tiger essentially disappearing, JQ will be the sole LCC in the Aussie market. QF needs JQ to stop another operator setting up shop in Australia. We’ve already seen off TT and virgin blue so we must be doing something right.

JQ ain’t going anywhere

and yet you posed the initial question to this forum? :ugh:

thats a fair point!

I guess what I was getting at was that there are some ideas that have been discussed so many times that guys convince themselves that they are facts.

My counter point would be why would qantas prop up a loss making entity for all these years and continuously lie to the ASX in the process (which is of course, illegal)?

Or is it maybe possible that Jetstar does in fact turn a profit.

Even if JQ isn't profitable (which I think is unlikely, for the reasons you say), it very plainly serves an important strat fix role for the Qantas Group. It allows the Group to capture a large proportion of the leisure and VFR traffic at a lower cost, while focusing QF itself on targeting corporate and premium leisure traffic. Without JQ, either:

• VA would be free to make larger profits from the segments that JQ covers, giving it a much stronger base to compete with QF as a hybrid carrier, or
• QF would have had to heavily restructure itself to become a hybrid carrier, covering low cost and premium traffic.

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It's going to have to go through a MAJOR restructure anyway

Qantas could cover the JQ model overnight, using QLink and the 737. The Dash8’s are more comfortable and cheaper to run than the A320 for domestic sectors. The back 10 rows on every 737 become LCC with pay for everything service.

The Virgin story is the biggie though. I love the line that QF should get an incrementally large package if VA does. S Curran was on the TV a few weeks back saying VA were cashed up and would ride out the storm in a healthy state. I remember being stunned as that is at odds with what I’ve heard for a long time.

Cheaper yes. How are Dash8's more comfortable than an A320?

For me, a Dash-8, even for Canberra-Sydney is starting to get a bit tedious. Longer sectors: no thanks - unless I can trade off comfort against a substantially reduced ticket price.

Hahaa. What?

What??

So you want to put Dash 8s on MEL-OOL sectors and further? And it’ll be cheaper and more comfortable?!

Have a look at the JQ network, I’d say at least half of our flying is over 2 hours. And a lot of the routes have 5-6 A321 flights a day (pre Coronavirus). How many dash 8s/ back 10 rows of a 737 are you planning on using

There is a small operation In April based out of Melbourne with a skeleton crew.