Does a circuit count? :}

Don't forget via the star SHEED-ASUKI-34

I’ll double you. However it’s been 8 years since I flew an A321.

However back of the barmat figures. 200+ punters is around 20T

Empty weights for a 321 are around 55T. (From memory they are a bit heavier than that). Landing weight from memory was around 77T.

Chuck on 3 tonne for your arrival fuel and there’s your landing weight.

You wouldn’t want to go Melbourne min fuel. Add the 40 min traffic holding that was NOTAM’d yesterday and you’re out of luck.

Hahaha and so true

But it’s the same for any flight, the landing weight is going to be approximately the same. Just because it’s a short flight doesn’t make it any heavier

Empty weight of an A321 is 50T, no issues whatsoever.

Yes, but when you’re up around the landing weight for a normal flight and you divert to a close destination like say Avalon, you can’t put much gas on for the recovery.

So the landing weight would have played a part in it.

Well call it 50T

230 punters = 23T

Company fuel would be 3T for arrival.

Chuck in flight fuel 1T.

traffic 1.5T

Suddenly you’re blasting off and needing to hold to land. Regardless of traffic.

The min weight of a 321 is 47500kg. With crew, catering, equipment, cans etc it’d be well over 50T.

going off old flight plans, a fully loaded A321 has ZFW of around 71T. Max LW is 77.8T

so you can arrived overhead with 6 tonne, around 2 hours endurance, no issues.

How do you think we carry tempo/alternate fuel??

But I’m sure they would do the landing briefing

I’ve got 6000 hours on type. Anytime you diverted, the landing weight was always the issue when you gassed up for another go. As generally you flew around with a full pax load and fuel on arrival was always landing weight limited. Especially for any transcontinental or when you stretched it’s legs.

We'll call it a draw shall we....!

Exactly- landing weight will be the limiting performance factor on ANY short leg, whether it be 10 mins flying time, or 1 hour. Hardly limiting for a flight from YMAV to YMML even with Tempo holding...

Sunfish if you are doing the job properly there are obvious reasons why you can’t do your landing checklist before you takeoff. Doing your landing briefing before takeoff is an entirely different part of the operation. Haven’t done the sector for a while but ATC would issue the STAR into SYD when issuing the SID out of CBR. The sector from AVV to MEL is not a challenge for a competent crew. If it’s a ferry then you don’t even bother using the AP.

Rubbish!!!

I’m going to have to go back to flight school.

Because I don’t understand how you are more landing weight limited on a short sector than a longer one. Surely you can gas to MLW at destination and arrive with the same fuel as on a longer leg, or do I need to go back to school?

Im sure loosing the passengers would just make the whole diversion easier for the crew, guessing they would need to wait for a new MEL Harmony slot, 40mins plus traffic holding and most likely 20 pax would want to come off in AVV as they live in point cook then need to find their bags that would take 40 more mins. The pax most likely got to Melbourne quicker than the aircraft did flying empty.

Not 100% au fait with ATFM in Oz now but with GDP and CTOTs running for Tulla, you still get 40-60 min holding???? That’s ridiculous.
I assume you’re CTOT compliant?
Are they over estimating the airport acceptance rate or underestimating the demand??

A quick query for the Airbus 321 experts here.. what is the max taxi speed? Taxiing down Tango for departure runway 34R in SYD in my 737, and every knot less than 30 sucks the life out of me, but the drivers of these 321’s regularly sit on 15-20 knots.

Could it be simply that a couple of professional pilots decided that "company offered fuel" offers a way to demonstrate their disgust?
Are they still in contractual dispute at Jetstar?

Melbourne sounds the perfect dysfunctional airport to remind management that engaged pilots are far more an asset than they like to believe...