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JQ563 BNE-MEL 13/01/20

Old 13th Jan 2020, 09:53
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JQ563 BNE-MEL 13/01/20

JQ563 BNE-MEL (ETA 12:20) today diverted to AVV ďto onload fuelĒ due to excessive delay into MEL.
Pax and baggage were offloaded and bussed to Tullamarine, arrived 3:45pm. But empty aircraft was ferried to MEL arrived 2:14pm. Anyone know why pax couldnít go in the plane?
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 10:39
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I can't comment on this flight, but in my outfit it's not unsual for the cabin crew to run out of hours in a disrupt. Solution is usually to ferry the aircraft empty.
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Anyone know why pax couldn’t go in the plane?
Have a think about some of the weight limitations on a very short flight sector.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 10:49
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A321 full load such a short hop would be interesting to see some performance numbers vs empty. Where would a diversion point be? LST? ADL?

Emirates recently did a AVV-MEL hop A380. But in saying that, by the time they re fuel and gain a new landing time due delays, and itís Melbourne so could be anything from 1-3 hours, itís probably better to just get rid of the pax rather than keeping them onboard for near 2 hours.

Crew hours should not be much of an issue here, this specific duty appears to have a sign on at 6am.

This aircraft was being used in and out of Sydney tonight and itís on the last 10pm out so they donít have much leeway if they are behind.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 10:50
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It’s MEL, basketcase of additional 1 hour holding should be mandated in the CAR’s just for this pathetic airport.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 20:24
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Originally Posted by Checklist Charlie View Post
Have a think about some of the weight limitations on a very short flight sector.
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I have thought about it. What do you mean exactly? Landing weight would be the only limiting weight- how is this different to any other sector CC?
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 20:30
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Originally Posted by Angle of Attack View Post
Itís MEL, basketcase of additional 1 hour holding should be mandated in the CARís just for this pathetic airport.
This.. Anyone arriving into Melbourne without a minimum of 40 minutes traffic (on a good wx, 2 runway day) needs their head examined.
Can't imagine any JQ pilot wanting to skimp on fuel at the moment either
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 20:59
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Both a QF and JQ had a fuel related turn back for Sydney in the space of 5 minutes yesterday afternoon. JQ maybe fair enough as they were International, but the QF was a syd-mel and the NOTAM was there all morning.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 21:21
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Emirates recently did a AVV-MEL hop A380
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As did Qantas following a windshear warning and diversion from Melbourne a few months ago.
I'm not sure if they kept the punters onboard or sent them by bus to Tulla; the former I suspect due to Customs and Immigration requirements.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 21:40
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee View Post
Both a QF and JQ had a fuel related turn back for Sydney in the space of 5 minutes yesterday afternoon. JQ maybe fair enough as they were International, but the QF was a syd-mel and the NOTAM was there all morning.
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the more diversions the better, will bring it to a head at the airlines - perhaps their bottom line will be able to drive some reform to this comically broken system.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 22:05
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Would the crew be doing landing checklists for YMEL before takeoff?
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 23:31
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Sunfish,
To answer to your question, no, plenty of time in the holding pattern.
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Originally Posted by C441 View Post
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As did Qantas following a windshear warning and diversion from Melbourne a few months ago.
I'm not sure if they kept the punters onboard or sent them by bus to Tulla; the former I suspect due to Customs and Immigration requirements.
If that was the 787 then no they held them onboard.

Never seen anyone else offload at Avalon aside the star.

Virgin now has swissport at Avalon so can offload if need be.
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Originally Posted by C441 View Post
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As did Qantas following a windshear warning and diversion from Melbourne a few months ago.
I'm not sure if they kept the punters onboard or sent them by bus to Tulla; the former I suspect due to Customs and Immigration requirements.
Punters stayed onboard for that one.
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Old 14th Jan 2020, 01:20
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Originally Posted by Checklist Charlie View Post
Have a think about some of the weight limitations on a very short flight sector.
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Iíve had a good think about it. Canít see a single issue.
What was your point?
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
Would the crew be doing landing checklists for YMEL before takeoff?
This was obviously a sarcastic question!!!
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Old 14th Jan 2020, 01:51
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Originally Posted by The Bullwinkle View Post
Iíve had a good think about it. Canít see a single issue.
What was your point?
Neither can I, they clearly donít know what theyíre talking about
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Old 14th Jan 2020, 01:54
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Originally Posted by morno View Post
Neither can I, they clearly donít know what theyíre talking about
CC- Iím guessing spotter vs operator. Some of the stuff that gets made up on the spot on this site... 🤦🏼‍♂️3000hrs 320/321 and Iím pretty sure I would have found out about these ďweight limitations on short sectorsĒ that CC speaks of by now!

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Old 14th Jan 2020, 03:03
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Deceased mate of mine (Max) claimed the shortest jet flight record - repositioning a TAA B727 from YMEN to YMMB when it opened. He alleges they indeed did their landing checks before takeoff.
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Old 14th Jan 2020, 03:13
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repositioning a TAA B727 from YMEN to YMMB when it opened
YMML I hope! If not, I'd love to have been at Moorabbin when that happened.

26 Essendon to 34 Tulla would have been fun in a 72.
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