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Hats off to the crew for a job well done. However, with the industry captured ATSB and CASA conducting investigations I’m sure the truth into this incident will never emerge. Particularly as the QF group is currently trying to discredit one of it’s pilot groups, management Couldn’t possibly be seen to acknowledge the Skill and need for a well trained pilot group. I can just imagine the investigation entry meeting agenda (being held in the Chairman’s lounge of course). Item 1- how to lay the blame squarely on the pilot group. |
Originally Posted by aussiepax
(Post 10641867)
Interesting scenario ( SLF here) : if they were at the gate, would the CC then have to arm the doors again before opening them ? Don't they usually disarm on approach to the gate ?
IIRC it was deemed too gray area and CC we were told to recheck the door status prior to opening. I actually recall having this exact situation as part of my final type exam for the 737. Evacuation at gate after disarm PA. I think 1 of the 4 of us forgot to re-arm in that case the procedure was to redirect to usable exit same as if the slide fails. But by the time we got out of training the habit was so ingrained to check the slide status before opening a door that it's be muscle memory for crew especially those who have done EPs a number of times |
Originally Posted by misd-agin
(Post 10641150)
There is 'Toxic Cabin Air' on the ramp, airstairs, jet bridges, ground equipment, etc, etc. More than in the cabin except during or after a leak event.
After an 18 month hiatus from flying I definitely noticed significant effects after copping a lungful of exhaust via the APU on a VH reg A320... I think it's something that doesn't really hit you until you've been absent from it and get reexposed... |
Originally Posted by Pickuptruck
(Post 10640745)
I would suspect it was supposed to be a precautionary evacuation via the slides since it would take too long to taxi to the gate or get stairs to the plane. But the method of use of the slides got lost in translation and it became an emergency evac. The industry doesn’t put enough training into communication between the flight and cabin crew. Evacuation was trained that the first you knew was "evacuate evacuate evacuate" and/or tEEtevac signal.on the A330. PD was clear, but I'm guessing legal department figured out that it could go pear shaped and better to just throw everyone off if in doubt. When did they remove precautionary from procedure out of curiosity? Been out of the Oz scene for a while now |
Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
(Post 10641900)
Registered to Qantas EBC G.I.E. I wonder who owned that company?
EBA is technically owned by Qantas EBA G.I.E. of 203 Coward St Mascot, EBB by Qantas EBB G.I.E. of L8 241 O'Riordan St Mascot, and EBC by Qantas EBC G.I.E. of L5 241 O'Riordan St Mascot. QPA-QPC are owned through QF A333 Leasing 4 Pty Ltd, and EBD comes through QF A332 Leasing 4 Pty Ltd. . Typically financiers like large and valuable assets to be held in a specially incorporated wholly owned subsidiary which does nothing other than own the legal title to the assets being financed. That way the financiers can take a share mortgage over the shares of the holding company which owns the aircraft (in addition to taking a slew of securities over the aircraft itself). Typically when they take a share mortgage the financiers get demand a blank but signed share transfer form - which they have authority to complete if they are exercising the security. Financiers like this kind of security because they can effectively enforce in a matter of seconds rather than taking possession of the physical asset - just take control of the holding company for that asset. |
Originally Posted by Buttscratcher
(Post 10640362)
QANTAS PR had Capt Debbie Slade address the press.
She was not the PIC of the day, however, so let's not get mixed up. |
FR24 says that it is still on the ground.
Is that correct? |
Originally Posted by Pera
(Post 10642794)
No one said she was flying or the captain in the footage I saw. Do you have an actual point?
Yes, Pera, I did have a point, and thanks for asking. How about you read 2 posts above mine, and get back to me |
Originally Posted by topend3
(Post 10640240)
if I ever get evacuated and see someone going for their hand luggage I will punch them in the face on my way out #collateraldamage |
Well done, you just created an obstruction for everyone else behind that pax. |
Why releasing the oxygen masks and have everyone breathe into them while the captain docked properly at a gate to allow a tidy and safer evacuation was not considered here?
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Originally Posted by Okihara
(Post 10645600)
Why releasing the oxygen masks and have everyone breathe into them while the captain docked properly at a gate to allow a tidy and safer evacuation was not considered here?
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Originally Posted by The name is Porter
(Post 10645541)
Not if the punch to the face is roundhouse and said ****wit is unconscious back in a row of seats.
I do wonder if you may be subject to manslaughter if the pax you decked dies. People grabbing bags is an issue, but remember that pax are not trained and when panicking will do all sorts of stupid things. The quickest way off a plane is to not create more issues yourself. |
Originally Posted by lcolman
(Post 10646767)
People grabbing bags is an issue, but remember that pax are not trained and when panicking will do all sorts of stupid things.
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