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73qanda 15th Dec 2019 08:41

I would have thought that the Captain would have been shielded from talking to the media at least until they have had a day or two to gather info etc. Isnt there normally company policy on this?

industry insider 15th Dec 2019 09:29

VH EBC is 16.9 years old

Snoop Doggy Dog


As engined get older, seals do not seal as good as they do when new. It is a well known fact for the seal manufacturers, however Airlines and Aircraft manufacturers, Airbus in this case, tend to kick the bucket down the road.
The engines on wing wouldn't be the originals. They would have been removed and exchanged for overhauled engines by now?

Capt Fathom 15th Dec 2019 09:41


Originally Posted by 73qanda (Post 10640304)
I would have thought that the Captain would have been shielded from talking to the media at least until they have had a day or two to gather info etc. Isnt there normally company policy on this?

Where in the media was the Captain quoted? I have not seen that.

Transition Layer 15th Dec 2019 09:59


Originally Posted by InZed (Post 10640206)


is that being finalised at the moment?

I was just stirring but events like these demonstrate that fleet renewal is an urgent matter for QF. Once the 321LRs arrive at JQ, I think half a dozen of the 787-8s for QF to use domestically and/or to Asia, replacing the oldest 330s is not the dumbest idea.

Buttscratcher 15th Dec 2019 10:21

QANTAS PR had Capt Debbie Slade address the press.
She was not the PIC of the day, however, so let's not get mixed up.

WingNut60 15th Dec 2019 10:29


Originally Posted by Capt Fathom (Post 10640339)
Where in the media was the Captain quoted? I have not seen that.

No such quote but I did like the PAX comment about the captain "screaming" to evacuate.
You can always tell that its a bad situation when the captain starts screaming.

noclue 15th Dec 2019 10:51

“Qantas insisted the incident did not fit its definition of an “emergency”.”
(News.com)

If a smoke/fumes event with injury’s as a result of an evacuation via slides doesn’t cut the mustard for an emergency, what is their definition/line in the sand for an emergency?

michigan j 15th Dec 2019 10:54


Originally Posted by rog747 (Post 10640298)
Ummm I think he would have been a first responder not a pax...

You mean the guy the first responders are helping up after he clearly just come down the slide?

Spandendro 15th Dec 2019 11:19

Hyd oil loss, no smoke til on the ground. I'd suggest a leak in the gear well that trailed back to the apu intake. As soon as apu bleed comes on you have your cabin smoke.

snoop doggy dog 15th Dec 2019 11:51

The engines on wing wouldn't be the originals. They would have been removed and exchanged for overhauled engines by now?[/QUOTE]

​​​​​Turbine engines are different to piston engines Possibly been replaced if they were out of spec, or replaced parts that were out of spec. The engine seals do not completely seal from day one, and deteriorate from there.

There is always Toxic Cabin Air Contamination at varying levels. What has not been established in the Airline Industry, unlike the Fire Industry for example, are what the safe exposure levels/times to Tri Cresyl Phosphate (amongst other toxins) are.

Obviously, you did read the links provided in the post above Industry Insider, before shooting off at the mouth? :ugh:

Do a little research for yourself Industry Insider. :mad:

As for the Captain evacuating the Aircraft ASAP, so as to expose their crew and passengers to less Toxic Cabin Air Contamination, excellent job :ok: That decision has possibly saved the company millions, due to less exposure

Goes to show, at least the crew at Qantas, make Safety their number one priority. It makes me phuckin mad that management will use their crews' excellent Safety ethic to feather their own nest 24,000,000 times over, whilst the coalface gets jacksh!t :mad: :\

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Buster Hyman 15th Dec 2019 13:22


Originally Posted by Rwy in Sight (Post 10640271)
It would be an excellent move on micro level but I think it is time to take this trend into consideration when designing a new aircraft.

Alternatively, design overhead lockers that lock in an emergency situation...

Good Business Sense 15th Dec 2019 15:43

Wrong compressor/turbine wash fluid ?

Cactus Jack 15th Dec 2019 16:52


wiggy 15th Dec 2019 17:22

I’m seeing an increasing number of comments here about seals, washes and engines but very little mention (apart from one or two early posts) of the reported reason for the return to Sydney.

Is the team postulating that two (possibly) unrelated failures lead to this evacuation, or we going to start thinking about using Occam’s razor at some point?






Bootstrap1 15th Dec 2019 19:23

Burst hydraulic line in the empennage area that leaked down the tail and was sucked up by the ingenious 330 design of an under slung APU intake. This was then comsumed by the APU and into the air con. Only happened at the terminal when the APU was turned on.

Or

It could be another busted rotator splint and thronomister. They are always breaking.

Sunfish 15th Dec 2019 20:21

Those Airbus Thronomisters were designed by a French ex- Citroen engineer. They spin anti clockwise which causes excessive wear in the Southern hemisphere.

novice110 15th Dec 2019 20:24

If it was only a fume event when the APU was turned on, then why not just turn off the APU bleed ?

Surely it was something else to cause an emergency evacuation.

Just Looking OK 15th Dec 2019 20:29

Hydraulic Fluid Mist A330
 
Hydraulic Fluid Mist Emirates A330 KHI OCT4th 2014. Google the GCAA report online. AVHERALD reference avherald.com/h?article=48245f15

Sunfish 15th Dec 2019 20:53

Novice, how could the pilot know it was”only” the APU bleed? Furthermore Skydrol (if it’s still used) is really really nasty stuff.

novice110 15th Dec 2019 21:05

Well if you turned on the bleed and fumes appear, then turning off the bleed may isolate the fumes. (a good place to start!)

Like I said I reckon it was something much more serious to command an emergency evacuation.

In any case, fuel saving measures enforce APU bleed OFF at the bay anyway these days don't they ?


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