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QF575 return to SYD and emergency evac
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Aerotoxicity
Another Toxic Cabin Air Contamination event on an Airbus.
Got to love the taste of Tri Cresyl Phosphate as it poisons you on an Airbus. Anyway, nothing to see here. Just move along... |
Curious why some news reports are emphasizing on how it's an ex JQ aircraft, what does that have to do with anything?
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QF's fleet is the oldest on average when compared with their main competitors. They stopped buying new airplanes to prop up the bottom line. Increased probability of malfunctions are the result.
https://centreforaviation.com/analys...t-needs-400281 Partial evacuation on the tarmac is an interesting option. Pays to sit up front I guess... |
This will hurt them bad, probably the whole crew will be on workers comp, they are not a pleasant event. |
Originally Posted by f1yhigh
(Post 10640161)
Curious why some news reports are emphasizing on how it's an ex JQ aircraft, what does that have to do with anything?
It’s fair to say that they were maintained to the absolute bare minimum while at JQ and took many months to get back up to standard. Expect the same thing with some second hand 787-8s in the near future! |
Aircon pack? |
Originally Posted by Transition Layer
(Post 10640176)
It’s pretty well known within QF that they were Hangar Queens on their return to QF from JQ. It’s fair to say that they were maintained to the absolute bare minimum while at JQ and took many months to get back up to standard. Expect the same thing with some second hand 787-8s in the near future! |
Pretty disappointing to see that someone was filming the evacuation from the inside...
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Better keep the Jumbos- turns out the good looking dinosaur is one of the most reliable in the fleet! |
Pax will do what they do. Whatever. |
The short video footage I saw (from outside) did not show pax carrying hand luggage. |
The Toxic Air enters the cabin, through the bleed air system. Bleed air system supplies hot air for the A/C system.
As engined get older, seals do not seal as good as they do when new. It is a well known fact for the seal manufacturers, however Airlines and Aircraft manufacturers, Airbus in this case, tend to kick the bucket down the road. Airlines will generally bully and intimidate crews that take action due to Toxic Cabin Air Contamination, if this fails, go a long and costly legal process that renders crews' bankrupt unable to pursue workplace compensation for illnesses. From what I understand, Qantas do take this seriously and pull aircraft off line to further investigate. https://www.aerotoxic.org ttps://www.susanmichaelis.com/about.html |
Originally Posted by michigan j
(Post 10640222)
Pretty disappointing to see that someone was filming the evacuation from the inside...
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Originally Posted by topend3
(Post 10640240)
if I ever get evacuated and see someone going for their hand luggage I will punch them in the face on my way out #collateraldamage You must skull drag them to the door also. |
First guy in the footage (wearing hi vis) is carrying/wearing a backpack.
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus
(Post 10640265)
Why? Where’s your duty of care? You can't just punch someone and leave them there in the aisle. You must skull drag them to the door also. |
Originally Posted by topend3
(Post 10640240)
if I ever get evacuated and see someone going for their hand luggage I will punch them in the face on my way out #collateraldamage |
Originally Posted by givemewings
(Post 10640269)
First guy in the footage (wearing hi vis) is carrying/wearing a backpack.
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I see $$$$$$ more than anything else! |
I would have thought that the Captain would have been shielded from talking to the media at least until they have had a day or two to gather info etc. Isnt there normally company policy on this? |
VH EBC is 16.9 years old
Snoop Doggy Dog As engined get older, seals do not seal as good as they do when new. It is a well known fact for the seal manufacturers, however Airlines and Aircraft manufacturers, Airbus in this case, tend to kick the bucket down the road. |
Originally Posted by 73qanda
(Post 10640304)
I would have thought that the Captain would have been shielded from talking to the media at least until they have had a day or two to gather info etc. Isnt there normally company policy on this? |
Originally Posted by InZed
(Post 10640206)
is that being finalised at the moment? |
QANTAS PR had Capt Debbie Slade address the press.
She was not the PIC of the day, however, so let's not get mixed up. |
Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
(Post 10640339)
Where in the media was the Captain quoted? I have not seen that.
You can always tell that its a bad situation when the captain starts screaming. |
“Qantas insisted the incident did not fit its definition of an “emergency”.” (News.com) If a smoke/fumes event with injury’s as a result of an evacuation via slides doesn’t cut the mustard for an emergency, what is their definition/line in the sand for an emergency? |
Originally Posted by rog747
(Post 10640298)
Ummm I think he would have been a first responder not a pax...
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Hyd oil loss, no smoke til on the ground. I'd suggest a leak in the gear well that trailed back to the apu intake. As soon as apu bleed comes on you have your cabin smoke.
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The engines on wing wouldn't be the originals. They would have been removed and exchanged for overhauled engines by now?[/QUOTE]
Turbine engines are different to piston engines Possibly been replaced if they were out of spec, or replaced parts that were out of spec. The engine seals do not completely seal from day one, and deteriorate from there. There is always Toxic Cabin Air Contamination at varying levels. What has not been established in the Airline Industry, unlike the Fire Industry for example, are what the safe exposure levels/times to Tri Cresyl Phosphate (amongst other toxins) are. Obviously, you did read the links provided in the post above Industry Insider, before shooting off at the mouth? :ugh: Do a little research for yourself Industry Insider. :mad: As for the Captain evacuating the Aircraft ASAP, so as to expose their crew and passengers to less Toxic Cabin Air Contamination, excellent job :ok: That decision has possibly saved the company millions, due to less exposure Goes to show, at least the crew at Qantas, make Safety their number one priority. It makes me phuckin mad that management will use their crews' excellent Safety ethic to feather their own nest 24,000,000 times over, whilst the coalface gets jacksh!t :mad: :\ |
Originally Posted by Rwy in Sight
(Post 10640271)
It would be an excellent move on micro level but I think it is time to take this trend into consideration when designing a new aircraft.
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Wrong compressor/turbine wash fluid ?
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I’m seeing an increasing number of comments here about seals, washes and engines but very little mention (apart from one or two early posts) of the reported reason for the return to Sydney. Is the team postulating that two (possibly) unrelated failures lead to this evacuation, or we going to start thinking about using Occam’s razor at some point? |
Burst hydraulic line in the empennage area that leaked down the tail and was sucked up by the ingenious 330 design of an under slung APU intake. This was then comsumed by the APU and into the air con. Only happened at the terminal when the APU was turned on.
Or It could be another busted rotator splint and thronomister. They are always breaking. |
Those Airbus Thronomisters were designed by a French ex- Citroen engineer. They spin anti clockwise which causes excessive wear in the Southern hemisphere. |
If it was only a fume event when the APU was turned on, then why not just turn off the APU bleed ?
Surely it was something else to cause an emergency evacuation. |
Hydraulic Fluid Mist A330
Hydraulic Fluid Mist Emirates A330 KHI OCT4th 2014. Google the GCAA report online. AVHERALD reference avherald.com/h?article=48245f15
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Novice, how could the pilot know it was”only” the APU bleed? Furthermore Skydrol (if it’s still used) is really really nasty stuff. |
Well if you turned on the bleed and fumes appear, then turning off the bleed may isolate the fumes. (a good place to start!)
Like I said I reckon it was something much more serious to command an emergency evacuation. In any case, fuel saving measures enforce APU bleed OFF at the bay anyway these days don't they ? |
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