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Jetstar Captains Salary
TV report today about possible industrial action at Jetstar, aircrew and ground staff. Newsreader mentioned in a rather sneering tone that JQ Captains were paid $300k plus while pax faced potential major inconvenience over the Christmas season. Sounded very much like the media campaign against the 89' ers on behalf of airline management /government.
I don't know what the salaries are but hope JQ pilots and their union are ready for the media pile on. |
Jetstar spokesman stated captains presently on over $300,000 and have been offered 3% which is well above current private enterprise pay rises |
$24 million...
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Keep the faith the only people that can fly the aircraft are you! That’s it! |
Typical of the lies being told by JQ management. 305k for 75 hours a month isn't even remotely close to what the average Captain at JQ is paid. You're not even in basic overtime at that figure. Base salary is 200k. Throw in super and some highline etc, and maybe 230k. To make 300 you have to smash overtime, and as many work day off payments as you can find.
If JQ offered us 305k for 75 hours a month stick time, the EBA would be signed tomorrow. |
I assume this 330k figure is a top level widebody max overtime training technical captain? |
Even if it’s $500 000 who cares?
Anyone can feel free to do what we’ve done and get their own ATPL + experience before applying for the position. Trouble is it takes aptitude, motivation, passion, sacrifice, money and time. |
If JQ offered us 305k for 75 hours a month stick time, the EBA would be signed tomorrow. |
Friday 6 Dec 2019 To be attributed to Jetstar Group CEO, Gareth Evans: Our captains earn on average over $300,000 a year and we are offering a three per cent annual increase. How is the CEO permitted to tell such absolute lies with no consequences? |
Originally Posted by A37575
(Post 10633769)
It would be interesting to compare the Jetstar captain salary with the annual salary, not including overtime, of a RAAF captain and copilot operating their Boeing 737's or A330's in both peacetime and war zone situations?
Why? What's the relevance? And wouldn't the wartime risk ( MEA theatre ) in their role be about as much as an EK pilot ? One of my first captains was an ex-SAC tanker captain flying refuelling tracks near the Arctic circle during the Cold War. He was 23. The screw-ups tolerated wouldn't be accepted in a litigated civilian world. And didn't the RAAF go trawling for some of their now highly experienced ex-pilots on civvy street to give a few tips on how to land the 330? Just lay off the pointless comparisons. We all take our hats off to those serving. They aren't mercenaries and perhaps in some circumstances, they aren't as experienced or anywhere near wiser than their civilian counterparts in similar equipment. Good luck to Jetstar pilots! |
Originally Posted by A37575
(Post 10633769)
It would be interesting to compare the Jetstar captain salary with the annual salary, not including overtime, of a RAAF captain and copilot operating their Boeing 737's or A330's in both peacetime and war zone situations?
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Here's an idea - let's say that the Irish guy was paid a reasonable wage - say $500,000 per year or over the ten years he has been the boss $5,000,000 (not bad). That would mean that he would have $87,000,000 of the $92,000,000 he has been paid that he could have shared with the staff. In Qantas alone with lets say 30,000 staff would be $2700 per staff member without changing anything but one person's pure greed. - Just saying.
I am not permitted to post URL's apparently but if you search SMH Oct 20 2019 you will see confirmation of the above figures. |
On reading into the detail, the 300k figure was average total earnings of a Captain in the group. Superannuation, average overtime, average working on a day off payments were all included; in which case it’s likely correct. |
Originally Posted by A37575
(Post 10633769)
It would be interesting to compare the Jetstar captain salary with the annual salary, not including overtime, of a RAAF captain and copilot operating their Boeing 737's or A330's in both peacetime and war zone situations?
Why would that be interesting? |
They are playing the man, not the ball. Same way Joyce answers complex questions - he immediately picks on one piece of minutiae and expands on the theme until another question comes up. The simple answer to the question is that like Joyce not being prepared to do the job for under $24,000,000pa, pilots don’t see the considerable health and life challenges as being worth $300k anymore. And that’s without the likely exaggeration to arrive at the $300k figure! Try this: pick a ‘suitable’ roster and send a journo along for the ride making sure they are awake when you are and studying when you are. You’d get a decent story in a month I suspect... |
Jetstar Responds To Potential Union ActionJETSTAR RESPONDS TO POTENTIAL UNION ACTIONTo be attributed to Jetstar Group CEO, Gareth Evans: It is deeply disappointing that the Australian Federation of Air Pilots (AFAP) is threatening to disrupt the holiday plans of tens of thousands of Australians at the busiest travel time of the year. The AFAP is demanding the equivalent of a 15 per cent pay increase in the first year. The union’s demands would put significant pressure on the low fares our customers rely on and force us to review our investment in new aircraft, new technology and new destinations. Our captains earn on average over $300,000 a year and we are offering a three per cent annual increase. This is 40 per cent above Australia’s annual wage growth and consistent with our position across the Qantas and Jetstar Groups. We remain committed to reaching a new agreement to support the great work our pilots do every day, but not any cost. Strong arm tactics from the AFAP will not change our position on this. We will do everything we can to protect the travel plans of our customers and minimise the disruption to their journeys. However, customers may face delays and cancelled flights if the union choose to take industrial action. With less than 20 days until Christmas, we say to the union: come to the table with a reasonable offer that is fair for pilots and which also ensures the future of low fares travel for Australians. Do not put the holiday plans of tens of thousands of Australians in doubt. |
"Do not put the holiday plans of tens of thousands of Australians in doubt."
Translates roughly to "Do not put the record executive bonuses in doubt". But we can't say that, so we'll inflate pilots wages, try to hang them out to dry in the court of public opinion and hope nobody notices the millions upon millions we paid ourselves. |
Public perception and backing is everything! Just seeing history repeating itself from 1989 when Hawke and Ables got a very compliant media to demonise pilots as overpaid hobby farmers and such, eventually to the point where the general public hated the domestic pilots and applauded military and foreigners doing the job while heralding in a new low COS structure for that time.
So now we have a pre-emptive strike from the management, $300K, 75 hrs per month, low fares would be threatened, yada yada, with no public response from the AFAP ( that I know of ). Those in Melbourne may be aware of a dispute with tram drivers stopping work this week and the TV networks giving both management and union representatives an opportunity to state their case, not so in this potential dispute with JQ pilots, just a one sided view. IMHO the AFAP needs to demand an equal opportunity to point out the average earnings of all JQ pilots, Captains/FO/SO, that 75 hours a month flight time requires probably 120 a month duty time plus say 40 hours a month on standby/reserve, maybe up to 8 nights/days per month in some bacteria infected hotel room and all the other factors involved in obtaining and keeping a pilot licence. |
"Lollipop workers could earn close to $180,000 a year on regional construction projects under minimum conditions being considered by the Queensland Labor government."
Financial Review Above salary for a pretty easy, minimal training, non technical job puts airline salaries into some sort of perspective really. |
Unfortunately there will be little public sympathy with figures of $300k being bandied about and that's exactly what management are trying to achieve. Highlight flight time rather than time on duty, and don't bother to mention nights, weekends and public holiday either.
At all costs keep quiet about how much pilot incomes have fallen in relative terms since the 1970s and how much executive incomes and bonuses have risen. |
I have said it over and over, the pilots NEED to emplyo a media spin company. Most of what goes on now is a propoganda WAR, the group who spins it the most and gains public sympathy wins. It may cost to get the product but without it tANY action by ANY pilots is a waste of time.
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Originally Posted by gtseraf
(Post 10634097)
I have said it over and over, the pilots NEED to emplyo a media spin company. Most of what goes on now is a propoganda WAR, the group who spins it the most and gains public sympathy wins. It may cost to get the product but without it tANY action by ANY pilots is a waste of time.
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
(Post 10634129)
Why? The public don’t vote on the EBA outcomes. The pilots do. Don’t get caught up in the spin - it’s not relevant. Look at the support Joyce got from the public via a spin campaign when he shut down Qantas, he never would have done it if he thought there could possibly be a back lash against that action. |
Originally Posted by A37575
(Post 10633769)
It would be interesting to compare the Jetstar captain salary with the annual salary, not including overtime, of a RAAF captain and copilot operating their Boeing 737's or A330's in both peacetime and war zone situations?
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I suspect these fibs and the media campaign will be the equivalent of fuel on fire for the QF group. Attempting to tell the whole world the pilots are paid lots and not working that much isn’t going to go down well. Bad move. |
Originally Posted by deja vu
(Post 10634145)
Well JQ management seem hell bent on appealing to "the public", so obviously they think spinning a yarn is relevant and getting public backing is very important in almost any industrial dispute.
Look at the support Joyce got from the public via a spin campaign when he shut down Qantas, he never would have done it if he thought there could possibly be a back lash against that action. As Paul Keating remarked, had the Gillard government not intervened, a week later Joyce would have been gone. The public, despite the enormous advertising and narrative management spend, have not forgotten. |
Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
(Post 10634129)
Why? The public don’t vote on the EBA outcomes. The pilots do. Don’t get caught up in the spin - it’s not relevant. This thread is about industrial action not the EBA. Industrial action impacts the customer (general public) The side which has the general public's symapthy will have a much better chance to prevail. EBA voting is an inhouse matter, different story. |
Keep the faith the only people that can fly the aircraft are you! That’s it!
$24 million... |
Originally Posted by gtseraf
(Post 10634292)
This thread is about industrial action not the EBA. Industrial action impacts the customer (general public) The side which has the general public's symapthy will have a much better chance to prevail.
EBA voting is an inhouse matter, different story. |
Originally Posted by gtseraf
(Post 10634292)
This thread is about industrial action not the EBA. Industrial action impacts the customer (general public) The side which has the general public's symapthy will have a much better chance to prevail.
I would argue it is irrelevant. You can not separate PIA from the EA. By law you can’t take ‘protected’ action outside an EA negotiation so to address the matters separately makes no sense. The only way to prevail is to sign a superior EA. To capitulate and not fight for ones worth is the simplest way for the company to prevail. |
Originally Posted by A37575
(Post 10633769)
It would be interesting to compare the Jetstar captain salary with the annual salary, not including overtime, of a RAAF captain and copilot operating their Boeing 737's or A330's in both peacetime and war zone situations?
That said, it's still one of the reasons the RAAF is hemorrhaging pilots currently. But that's for another thread. |
My symapthy is with pilots, especially those in QF and JQ who have the poison dwarf and his obscene salary in their faces. I have nothing against a fair wage increase - I don't earn that much but I sleep in my own bed each night and don't have a hundred people's lives relying on me every time I go to work.
But I wonder how effective industrial action will be - Jetstar don't give a damn about passengers being inconvenienced - it's their business model! We have a "No Jetstar" policy because, if we're flying somewhere, we want to have confidence we will reach the destination, preferably on the appointed day - JQ doesn't give that confidence. Now, in the next week we are forced to fly JQ because no other carrier is available for the destination. If the flight is delayed by PIA, do you think JQ will care? Of course not. They don't care when it's their fault - this time they will actually have someone else to blame! I don't counsel against PIA, but I feel for the pilots - if they don't strike, they will never get anything. If they do strike, it may cause negative public sentiment and still be water off management's back. I agree with gtseraf above that pilots need a better approach to the media. Allowing Napoleon to control the message is not a winning strategy. Good luck. Sympathetic SLF. |
Whilst I personally believe there should be some repercussions for Management spinning lies to the public (and the media for printing it), lets be honest, the public only care about themselves. Air NZ did the same thing last Christmas during the Engineering negotiations and the public bough it hook line and sinker. They could claim JQ Captains earn $150k and still the Public would side with management. Why? Because they want to go on Holiday and wages have gotten so slow over the past 10-20 years, anyone earning above the "average" is a rich fat cat.
This is especially the case with JQ given their core customer base. As Recidivist above pointed out, many companies (and individuals) have a no JQ policy. Public perception for some time now is that we're all over paid bus drivers and it would take a considerable media campaign to change that... perhaps a 2 part doco that follows a kid fresh out of School and concludes 30 years later when (IF) they finally get a WB command in their home country. :} |
You might want to run a couple in case one ends up flying a 1900 out of Wagga. |
Originally Posted by ElZilcho
(Post 10634698)
Whilst I personally believe there should be some repercussions for Management spinning lies to the public (and the media for printing it), lets be honest, the public only care about themselves. Air NZ did the same thing last Christmas during the Engineering negotiations and the public bough it hook line and sinker. They could claim JQ Captains earn $150k and still the Public would side with management. Why? Because they want to go on Holiday and wages have gotten so slow over the past 10-20 years, anyone earning above the "average" is a rich fat cat.
This is especially the case with JQ given their core customer base. As Recidivist above pointed out, many companies (and individuals) have a no JQ policy. Public perception for some time now is that we're all over paid bus drivers and it would take a considerable media campaign to change that... perhaps a 2 part doco that follows a kid fresh out of School and concludes 30 years later when (IF) they finally get a WB command in their home country. :} |
30 years to a WB command from high school? Sign me up!! |
In reply to a previous request for info comparing Jetstar captain salary to RAAF pilot pay.
Australian Air Force Pay Chart 2018. RAAF pilot average salary AUD $90,000. Depends on rank - not aircraft type flown. Allowances extra. |
Originally Posted by ElZilcho
(Post 10634698)
...they finally get a WB command in their home country. :}
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Increase the airfares a little and reduce some of the senior management salaries would be the most logical solution to solve the issue, however the likely hood of that happening in zero.
Having a beer with a mate a few weeks ago who flies for an Australian airline and we were discussing the issue of pilots flying around the country fatigued as a result of bad rostering and crappy regulations. That’s probably a little off topic, however it’s certainly directly related. |
What's a WB Command? |
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