I have said it over and over, the pilots NEED to emplyo a media spin company. Most of what goes on now is a propoganda WAR, the group who spins it the most and gains public sympathy wins. It may cost to get the product but without it tANY action by ANY pilots is a waste of time.

Well JQ management seem hell bent on appealing to "the public", so obviously they think spinning a yarn is relevant and getting public backing is very important in almost any industrial dispute.
Look at the support Joyce got from the public via a spin campaign when he shut down Qantas, he never would have done it if he thought there could possibly be a back lash against that action.

What stops the POMs from switching to the "greener" pastures.

What he received was courtesy of a duplicitous and under confident government.
As Paul Keating remarked, had the Gillard government not intervened, a week later Joyce would have been gone.

The public, despite the enormous advertising and narrative management spend, have not forgotten.

This thread is about industrial action not the EBA. Industrial action impacts the customer (general public) The side which has the general public's symapthy will have a much better chance to prevail.

EBA voting is an inhouse matter, different story.

Of course they get paid less. They have less experience, their training from ab initio up has been paid for and are bonded to the service. They do very different jobs, it's not really a fair comparison.

That said, it's still one of the reasons the RAAF is hemorrhaging pilots currently. But that's for another thread.

My symapthy is with pilots, especially those in QF and JQ who have the poison dwarf and his obscene salary in their faces. I have nothing against a fair wage increase - I don't earn that much but I sleep in my own bed each night and don't have a hundred people's lives relying on me every time I go to work.
But I wonder how effective industrial action will be - Jetstar don't give a damn about passengers being inconvenienced - it's their business model!
We have a "No Jetstar" policy because, if we're flying somewhere, we want to have confidence we will reach the destination, preferably on the appointed day - JQ doesn't give that confidence.
Now, in the next week we are forced to fly JQ because no other carrier is available for the destination. If the flight is delayed by PIA, do you think JQ will care? Of course not. They don't care when it's their fault - this time they will actually have someone else to blame!
I don't counsel against PIA, but I feel for the pilots - if they don't strike, they will never get anything. If they do strike, it may cause negative public sentiment and still be water off management's back.
I agree with gtseraf above that pilots need a better approach to the media. Allowing Napoleon to control the message is not a winning strategy.
Good luck.
Sympathetic SLF.

Whilst I personally believe there should be some repercussions for Management spinning lies to the public (and the media for printing it), lets be honest, the public only care about themselves. Air NZ did the same thing last Christmas during the Engineering negotiations and the public bough it hook line and sinker. They could claim JQ Captains earn $150k and still the Public would side with management. Why? Because they want to go on Holiday and wages have gotten so slow over the past 10-20 years, anyone earning above the "average" is a rich fat cat.

This is especially the case with JQ given their core customer base. As Recidivist above pointed out, many companies (and individuals) have a no JQ policy.

Public perception for some time now is that we're all over paid bus drivers and it would take a considerable media campaign to change that... perhaps a 2 part doco that follows a kid fresh out of School and concludes 30 years later when (IF) they finally get a WB command in their home country. :}

If something goes seriously wrong and they get my ass back on the ground safely, I don't care if they're paid $1M PA...

In reply to a previous request for info comparing Jetstar captain salary to RAAF pilot pay.

Australian Air Force Pay Chart 2018. RAAF pilot average salary AUD $90,000. Depends on rank - not aircraft type flown. Allowances extra.

Sorry ElZilcho, don't know your banter... What's a WB Command?

Increase the airfares a little and reduce some of the senior management salaries would be the most logical solution to solve the issue, however the likely hood of that happening in zero.

Having a beer with a mate a few weeks ago who flies for an Australian airline and we were discussing the issue of pilots flying around the country fatigued as a result of bad rostering and crappy regulations. That’s probably a little off topic, however it’s certainly directly related.

Wide Body Command