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Originally Posted by ElZilcho
(Post 10589945)
In 6 years at Air NZ, I’ve averaged about 20 slots per year on seniority. Even at 80:20, how long will it take number 600 on the RSL to see a Jet? Being last on a list of 600 is going to take forever to get on the company jet fleet regardless, I'm sure most of them plan on getting an ATPL and leaving if they need to expedite themselves in to a jet. Lets not beat around the bush, the “Job security” was sold on the back of Eagle by a bunch of Senior Link Pilots to the juniors who didn’t know any better. Most (if not every) recently hired Link Pilots I’ve flown with have admitted they dodged a massive bullet getting hired before RSL came into effect... now that they’ve done the math. Before externals were hired in droves, Link pilots had their turn, amazing how quickly people forget that... when Link Pilots we’re getting interviews as soon as their bonds were up. Some with as little as 6 months Command time.... others with none! Just wait until the next expansion (Jet or Link)... we’ll see just how much loyalty is worth when the company is faced with parking aircraft. A group of tired Link Pilots who can’t pass a jet type rating and require “stress leave on MBF” got their cake, so who cares about the next generations aye? |
Originally Posted by KiwiAvi8er
(Post 10589984)
Being last on a list of 600 is going to take forever to get on the company jet fleet regardless, I'm sure most of them plan on getting an ATPL and leaving if they need to expedite themselves in to a jet.
Shock horror, guys who were hired just prior to the RSL process are happy they got in before it changed. That isn't a startling revelation.... How many haven't passed a type rating out of interest since you keep bringing it up? I know of one person.....there's nothing like a stereotype and innuendo though. |
Originally Posted by Kittykat2704
(Post 10589989)
Some cold hard truths seem to hurt a wee bit do they? Let's hope the RSL works and keeps you far from jet for years to come.
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Wow, from an outsider this is starting to sound a lot like some jet pilots giving the impression they are gods because they have the jet job and the turboprop guys don't, therefore all turboprop guys don't deserve the job. While the turboprop guys are throwing their toys out of the cots because even or though the planes are painted the same, wear the same uniform and soon to be under the same AOC, should be recognised as part of Air New Zealand.
Meanwhile I'm sure the HR types are rubbing their hands in glee, why have 1,600 pilots all on one side (which would be an awesome force to be reckoned with when it comes to negotiating) against just us. When they can divide them all and let them fight amongst themselves. Keep it up guys, I'm enjoying the entertainment. |
Originally Posted by KiwiAvi8er
(Post 10589994)
We’ll see. It must have been painful having a start taken away from you with the lockout period coming in to force? |
Originally Posted by dctPub
(Post 10590104)
Lol, seriously? Money dude. The new link salary that old mates voted through ain't going to pay the mortgage in Auckland/Wellington.
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Originally Posted by empacher48
(Post 10589997)
Wow, from an outsider this is starting to sound a lot like some jet pilots giving the impression they are gods because they have the jet job and the turboprop guys don't, therefore all turboprop guys don't deserve the job. While the turboprop guys are throwing their toys out of the cots because even or though the planes are painted the same, wear the same uniform and soon to be under the same AOC, should be recognised as part of Air New Zealand.
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I believe these issues go a bit deeper than simply having external Jet Pilots from other carriers getting the jobs in Air NZ instead of the Link Pilots. If it were as simple as that then it would have ruffled a few Link Pilots feathers but we wouldn't have seen the retention issues that has been experienced over the last 3-4 years.
The first problem was the decision to close the regional bases. We saw the Napier Q300 base closed with forced moves for all involved, the remaining regional bases were all told "you're on borrowed time and will be next". The only bases on offer for all new hires, and new commands was AKL,WLG and if you were lucky CHC. That was it. The second problem was the introduction of the new schedule in the later part of 2016 which instantly saw time away from base skyrocket. Some Pilots were doing 280-300 hours every 28 days capture time and going away for 2-3 nights at a time. Due to the scaling back of all regional bases through natural attrition allot of the overnights were in places where there was a base. The expansion of Mount Cook and the Jet fleet simultaneously meant that there was no choice but to take external Jet Pilots from other operators. This created a situation where there was no negative effect to leave the Links - better pay which was important for the main cities, better lifestyle and probably a quicker route to Air NZ Jet anyway. The merger and the reintroduction of regional bases is definitely a good thing, but it think it needs to go a step further. Open up regional bases in more places similar to the old Eagle footprint, this will allow Pilots to live pretty much anywhere (within reason), the more career driven ones will naturally take commands in the less desirable bases and move onto the Jets sooner, the lifestylers will stay in the regions and wait for their command there. More bases means less overnights and more day duties which reduces the time away from home for everyone. Keep the 1 year Left seat requirement to qualify for Tag and Release on the Jet Fleet. Do that and you will ensure even number 600 on the list will probably stay, because if someone way down the list gets a quick command in a main centre then you'll find they won't be number 600 in line for a Jet job as they will jump all the ones choosing a lifestyle base over career progression. |
Still cannot understand why alpa and the pilots have ratified this New contract. Defies belief. Firstly all incoming ATR pilots being payed substantially less then existing pilots on a crappy blended rate. From what I’ve seen, up to $10,000 difference in the f/o ranks and up to $25,000 in the captain ranks. Yes, this blended rate will eventually disappear when the dash disappears. But how long will this be. Adds up to a lot of lost income in a short space of time. And secondly, introducing an even lower graduate pilot salary into the contract.this to me goes against everything that the union and pilots should be standing for. No one should be worse off than before. There was already a starting salary in the links. No need to negotiate a c scale into the contract! When the company tried to introduce a graduate pilot salary into the jet fleet they were told bluntly from members, no way in hell. We have a starting year 1 salary in the contract thank you very much. |
What an Ignoramus
Actually, the weight size cost wah means that the Q300 makes a **** load more money than the Air NZ 787 !!
you dipstick
Originally Posted by go123
(Post 10577972)
Unfortunately the Q300 is a smaller aircraft that doesn’t make the company as much money, simple economics, been that way since it all began |
Mate...
Have you forgotten how NZ aviation works ? |
Mate,
Obfuscated only to uneducated like you. Are you reading the same contract ******** ? Really |
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