from my limited understanding it is legal for this flying to be crewed outside the QF EBA because it is new flying and not replacing existing flying (happy to be corrected).

why not use the cheapest (by far) WB pilots in the region (maybe the world) at the entity you own, whose EBA already covers it. As long as it’s Wide Body single deck it’s fair game to be flown on the current JQ EBA.

You mean that you'd love any excuse to undercut your mates? Going by your narrative in the JQ EBA thread you're more than happy to just take whatever Mr Joyce gives you, so you'd be more than happy to put your greasy little hand up and volunteer to do the Sunrise flying. You'd even turn down the crew meal just to save him a few bucks.

nah, those sectors would be waaayyy too long for me. I’m just stating the facts

Except it’s meant to be a “premium” route. JQ has its place in the market.

If it was legal / easy / actually worth it to just set up another entity to undercut labour costs it would have been done long ago.

The assumption that pilot costs have that much sway in the total costs is still laughable.

If he wanted you mate, he would have already asked. Now go back down your hole.

It would still be premium service. QF brand, QF product, QF cabin crew (QCCA) but on your boarding pass in brackets a tiny note ‘operated by Jetstar Airways’ the same as Cobham, Network, Eastern, Sunstate and Jetconnect (before its AOC was reintegrated).

Im not saying that it’ll happen, but it’s a possibility that should be taken into account.

Why wouldn’t they do it? The Margins are thin enough. The increase in cost (fuel) from a very pissed off workforce cannot be understated. The A/C isn’t arriving for 3 years. Also it’s not entirely ‘growth’. Also going to be hard to make people redundant while having a new entity take over 380/330 routes

I’m a little confused by this.
Aren’t JQ pilots in the middle of their own PIA for better wages/conditions at the moment?
So why would they help out Napoleon with his Sunrise project?

ECAMactions:Considering your meek effort on the Jetstar thread, your willingness to capitulate at the first hint of pushback from Management, I don't think you should be on this thread saying what should- or shouldn't -happen. You're just as bad as the Angels or Nathan.

I'm sure the tens of thousands of Chinese pilots emailing Mr. Joyce would be more than happy to remain unemployed for the next 3 years, just so they can operate Sunrise.

And all of the expats who are looking for a job today will be happy to wait around 3+ years for the “up to 12” sunrise aircraft to arrive... great plan. :-)

QF are meant to have 50+ 787s too - how many have arrived so far?

Yes, but the clincher is that not one single current QF pilot's hours can drop below where they are right now. So then you think, well maybe he'll Jetconnect the thing and base it overseas? Have fun convincing this new country that they should allow 23.5hr duties straight off the bat when you don't have any government influence like they do here.

It wasn’t that long ago that Joyce’s dealings with foreign governments over Jetstar didn’t work out for him. HKG and Japan failings must still be fresh in his mind.

Exactly. At one stage they had an ASX announcement for up to 100 787's!!!!!

ROH111,
Sounds like you would be the first to put your hand up . Unfortunately you’ll have to write a letter to him personally to screw your comrades over. The general rule with EBA votes are they are anonymous for good reason .

I wonder if this is done to increase the share price or "manipulate" the market?

Who’s to say the project isn’t brought forward. The whole 2023 date could be a red herring. Can’t honestly see why we need 3 years, unless it’s purely frames.

There is one person amongst all others that has done more to destroy the company than any other person in history. A German Corporal and Japanese General made serious assaults on the title, but frankly, as it turned out, rank amateurs.

Who has a reputation for negotiating for years without negotiating anything? Who is it that has created this sense of urgency? Who is it pushing? Why do they want an instant decision? Who is the biggest (smallest standing) bully in the room?

There is NO rush for a decision. Do NOT give him what he wants without a fight. The more he bullies, the more desperate he is.

A ‘yes’ vote guarantees a crap deal. A ‘no’ vote simply keeps cards on the table. There is NO need to roll over and play dead.

The truly disgusting thing is that ‘management’ are convincing ‘you’ that they won’t pay $xx. Everyone who reads this KNOWS that they will pay $xx, just that they would prefer to pay it to themselves, not to the people doing the actual work.

The ONLY time pressure is on Elaine.

Maybe, but I doubt it - QF are glacial - More likely to be delayed than brought forward!

No suitable aircraft for a profit making service - the 777 X only flew in January - the A350 -1000 ULR is still being tweeked