Little birdie,

Well if the company is going to pay us more in allowances then sign me up!
Nathan and co might have to explain to AJ why they gave us a freebie!👍

Sorry extrashot....I wasn’t clear enough.
points taken.

Im sure you are correct and as 1989 proved pilots will eat their own children if need be.

just saying what? You covet what others have and would love to slide on in?
mow my lawn whilst you're at it
Hell, move in too

FFS

AJ could do a number of things.
He could start a greenfields operation.
How many does that make?
Assuming AIPA come back with something half good then what does AJ do?
Take it or risk an industrial fight at very inconvenient time with an open ended EA with his pilots?
By the way who made these claims in the first place? The pilots?
I still haven’t seen what the pilots log of claims are?
Who is the protagonist?

AIPA don’t have a log of claims they are reacting to the wishes of Qantas. A log of claims was lodged on Qantas in January last year by other respondents to do with sunrise , as yet Qantas haven’t responded.

Whats your point?

An aeroplane is now available to do what they've been wanting to do for decades.

There is important (and highly contextual) bits and pieces being discussed that will have a big impact on those flying it and also those that don't (in qf).

We have (some) brand new 787s....

Substantial redundancies? Well, never say never but - where the hell do you figure this?

Once winter has passed and it starts warming up, the corona virus will disappear just like SARS. Everything will then return to normal. I don't think the world is going to end just yet.

I hope Telfer isn't on the negotiating panel.

Errrr... you do realise the aircraft aren’t getting here next week? The first one isn’t due for 3 years, do you really think we’ll still be dealing with the effects of corona virus then?

2 years after SARS Qantas went on to report a billion dollar profit. These things pass in time. This investment has a 25 year timeframe, basing a decision on loads over ‘the last few days’ would be ridiculous.

Additionally, the Sunrise project is designed to overfly Asia straight into Europe. This would be ideal in the current circumstances.

Nailed it :D

Unless the virus bugs learn to jump really high.

Bring on the scabs!

"La Spina said: "We will be left with no viable alternative but to have Sunrise flying performed by a new employment entity that can provide the cost base we need for this important business opportunity,"
https://www.theage.com.au/business/c...13-p540ns.html

Vote yes for Sunrise or we'll setup a new entity to do it ..

How about a cap on executive remuneration for future management - the highest you can earn is equal to the highest paid non management role.

Geez Patty Hatchet gets the tips quick...

TIno La Spiv, very appropriate, watch fuel uplift increase, watch such leave increase, watch your disengaged workforce you c##ts.

Qantas has told its international pilots it will bring in a separate workforce to operate its slated non-stop flights from east coast Australia to London and New York if they do not agree to a new wage agreement.

The airline has been in a deadlock with pilots over how much they will be paid to fly its so-called "Project Sunrise" flights, which it wants to launch from Sydney or Melbourne in 2023. Qantas said it would engage a "new employment entity" to operate the flights. Qantas says it needs to secure a pay deal with "productivity improvements" by the end of next month to make the new routes viable, and meet a March deadline with Airbus to order a new fleet of A350-1000s jets that can operate what will be the longest flights in the world.

On Thursday afternoon Qantas International chief executive Tino La Spina told pilots in an email that it had developed a "fallback" plan if it can't break the impasse with the pilot's union negotiators.

We will be left with no viable alternative but to have Sunrise flying performed by a new employment entity that can provide the cost base we need for this important business opportunity," the email said. "To be absolutely clear, this is not our preferred option. And we know that flagging this will not be well received by many of you. But we want to make sure you have all relevant information when you are weighing a decision."

Mr La Spina said it would shortly offer a wage package directly to pilots to vote on if it cannot reach an in-principal agreement with the pilots' union, the Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA). AIPA president Mark Sedgwick said that "such unnecessary threats will unfortunately precipitate a new low in employee engagement at Qantas". Project Sunrise involves multiple safety and regulatory issues that AIPA on behalf of pilots has been working through," Mr Sedgwick said. The approach that Qantas is now showing publicly has been a characteristic of these discussions and shows how this business would apparently prefer ultimatums at this critical juncture to building consensus."

In his email, Mr La Spina said the offer on the table delivered a 3 per cent annual pay rise for current pilots and other improved conditions, while Qantas has said Project Sunrise itself would create considerable opportunities for promotions for pilots.

In case you may be feeling "stressed" by the coming cataclysmic events, take a very close look at the 2011 Qantas Safety Case Freedom Of Information (FOI) request that outlined Qantas's concerns that their pilots may be stressed by industrial events, and therefore needed to shut down the airline as a preventive safety measure because the crew were wearing red ties and making PA's.

Has a similar risk assessment been completed on the consequences threat of the transfer of business, and it's consequences on the pilots?

It has all been documented here by CASA: Qantas Safety Case for Lockout 2011 (archive.org backup copy) original https://www.casa.gov.au/sites/defaul...files_redirect

One of the cited study's used to justify the Stress on pilots of the industrial situation in 2011: NASA The Effects of Life-Stress on Pilot Performance

Remember, Qantas played the safety card in 2011 for industrial relations purposes, and CASA accepted the Qantas argument that the pilots were too stressed to fly in 2011. What will be their position now?

Download the file, have a read of the study, and self assess your fitness to fly due to "Life Stress"

Impeccable timing one might say with the surplus of international contract pilots about to flood the market. In an age where bullying and unethical behaviour is frowned upon isn’t it amazing how upper management can regularly speak to their staff like this (not limited to the Aviation industry of course). Just a sad sign of the times and outsourcing in a lot of industries.

And for all those externals who are so keen to join Qantas.

The deal on the table that's the sticking point is reduced SO pay scale for NEW HIRES ONLY, yes that includes internal transfers.

The company's trying to use existing pilots, to screw over the next generation of hires.

Except any sunrise aircraft are 3 years away. Long time to wait for a job!