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Qf syd-jnb 7700?
As per title, reckon it's legit? (flight radar showing so from what I can tell)
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On the ground in YMML
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Med diversion. For once it’s not these pieces of $hit going tech. |
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 10484561)
Med diversion. For once it’s not these pieces of $hit going tech. Look at the newer “no maintenance “ aircraft in service - they seem to have issues as well! ;) |
7700 for a sick pax?????????? A/C in grave and imminent danger????????? what. |
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 10484561)
Med diversion. For once it’s not these pieces of $hit going tech. |
Have you actually flown a 747 ER? I guess not, as I’ve never heard a pilot describe an aircraft as ‘going tech’. |
"going tech" is not an expression usually heard in Australia although it's a very common substitute for 'U/S' in the UK.
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 10484561)
Med diversion. For once it’s not these pieces of $hit going tech. |
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 10484561)
Med diversion. For once it’s not these pieces of $hit going tech. |
Which has nothing to do with today’s medical diversion! |
Originally Posted by ACMS
(Post 10484587)
7700 for a sick pax?????????? A/C in grave and imminent danger????????? what. From Airservices Australia:
Seems to me like a PAN and 7700 is entirely in order. I’m sure if it was your kid or parent dying on a plane you’d want the crew using every possible tactic available to them to get that plane on the ground as quickly and safely as possible. |
Originally Posted by roundsounds
(Post 10484627)
what makes you say the B744 are pieces of crap? heck even Delta or American and you will see how woeful the entire Qantas experience is these days, more specifically the 747. I have arrived at the conclusion that Qantas Management and employees think the current product and service standard is world class. But then why are they fairly non existent outside of Sydney? The competitors most certainly have them by the balls and rightly so! On an engineering front, well they cost 25-30% more to operate compared to a big twin which is why nobody else flies them anymore. Recently a charter group wanted a big heavy for a global charter, and they wouldn’t give QF the job until they refreshed the 747 Business cabin as they claimed it was prehistoric, so if your wondering why one bird has a more updated look. |
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 10484841)
Fly Singapore, Qatar, Etihad, Cathay, Emirates heck even Delta or American and you will see how woeful the entire Qantas experience is these days, more specifically the 747. I have arrived at the conclusion that Qantas Management and employees think the current product and service standard is world class. But then why are they fairly non existent outside of Sydney? The competitors most certainly have them by the balls and rightly so! On an engineering front, well they cost 25-30% more to operate compared to a big twin which is why nobody else flies them anymore. Recently a charter group wanted a big heavy for a global charter, and they wouldn’t give QF the job until they refreshed the 747 Business cabin as they claimed it was prehistoric, so if your wondering why one bird has a more updated look. |
Originally Posted by Ken Borough
(Post 10484650)
"going tech" is not an expression usually heard in Australia although it's a very common substitute for 'U/S' in the UK.
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Originally Posted by Beer Baron
(Post 10484780)
Where does it state anywhere that 7700 indicates ‘A/C in grave and imminent danger’? From Airservices Australia:
fair enough but I’ve had many medical emergencies in flight requiring priority and we didn’t set 7700.....or declare a PAN. just seems a little over the top. |
ACMS, If you don’t declare a PAN, ATC can’t do anything to help you with track shortening, high speed, zero delays etc. They will tell you as such if you’re ever in the situation, but once you use the magic PAN word they can move everyone else out of the way. |
BEER BARON...
In-flight emergencies | Airservices Right there. "A ‘mayday’ call indicates an aircraft is in grave and imminent danger and requires immediate assistance. " |
How can an aircraft be in grave and imminent danger? Surely it is the occupants needing assistance!
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer
(Post 10485136)
ACMS, If you don’t declare a PAN, ATC can’t do anything to help you with track shortening, high speed, zero delays etc. They will tell you as such if you’re ever in the situation, but once you use the magic PAN word they can move everyone else out of the way. rubbish, I’ve had several medical emergencies both in Oz and overseas with diversions en route and at destination before, didn’t you read my post? Simply declared a medical emergency, requested priority and it WAS DONE. High speed direct number 1, all ok. |
Originally Posted by ACMS
(Post 10485157)
rubbish, I’ve had several medical emergencies both in Oz and overseas with diversions en route and at destination before, didn’t you read my post? Simply declared a medical emergency, requested priority and it WAS DONE. High speed direct number 1, all ok. The rest of the world are unencumbered with this atom splitting approach, and allow a fair amount of common sense. |
Originally Posted by Keith Myath
(Post 10485170)
Don’t confuse Oz with the rest of the world. In this particular backwater, you can request medical priority until the cows come home, but it will make no difference until you pipe up with your ‘pan’ call to the pedant’s society (Australian ATC).
The rest of the world are unencumbered with this atom splitting approach, and allow a fair amount of common sense. ok, for the sake of the slow of reading in here I’ll state it again. I’ve had medical emergencies in Oz and overseas..........etc etc. One into Melb and I requested and was given priority.....As I was In ADL years ago..... The last 2 in HKG.....same outcome. Oz ATC aren’t stupid when you say the words “medical emergency” I’m not saying it’s wrong to say PAN PAN but I’m my experience if you don’t it didn’t matter. Ok. over and out.... |
Originally Posted by Icarus2001
(Post 10485137)
BEER BARON...
In-flight emergencies | Airservices Right there. "A ‘mayday’ call indicates an aircraft is in grave and imminent danger and requires immediate assistance. " They apparently squawked 7700, that is not a mayday call. Go back and read the excerpts I posted and consider what my point was. |
"over and out...." |
Originally Posted by ringbinder
(Post 10485200)
And the rest of your radio procedures ..................................???
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To the Monday morning quarterbacks here: you ought to be aware that at least one of the pilots on this flight has read all your uninformed insights and opinions.
And if you were to actually speak to him about the events yesterday you might actually rethink what you've expressed from the safety of internet anonymity. |
How this medical was announced to the world is not really worth 2 pages of arguing. I'm sure ATC are smart enough to assist you if you tell them that you have a medical on board. Declaring an emergency can also help with the little legalities ( for the CVR and tapes) of dumping 80,000kgs of fuel over Victoria or alternatively landing a tad overweight. I don't have the info as to which option was taken. |
re the ”going tech” phrase and
Originally Posted by mrdeux
(Post 10485123)
Amongst pilots?
Broadening the U.K. vs. Antipodes differences issues slightly...as a point of interest...inbound to the likes of LHR or LGW if you have a medical problem and want expedited handling and medical assistance on arrival ATC will politely “ask” you to declare an emergency politely, and politely “ask” you to squawk emergency, yes, 7700. |
Thanks Beer Baron. I think it is important to look at the history of a Mayday and how 7700 follows. Many aviation standards are directly stolen from the maritime environment. Nav lights are an obvious one. Rules of giving way etc. A Mayday from a vessel indicates that the vessel is in distress, not a passenger on board. As for 7700, on its own, if used after a Mayday or PanPan call it would be redundant. The net result being that an alarm is triggered on the desk of the FIR Manager. Imagine a situation where voice coms are lost then a received 7700 squawk would initially be interpreted as a Mayday, perhaps downgraded to Pan after further information is received somehow. From this extrapolation 7700 seems a strong response to an unwell passenger. I have had a few unwell passengers on my flights and of course we do everything we can for them, diverting for quicker medical care etc but for the most part luck plays the biggest part. If you have a stroke or serious heart attack between Melbourne and Darwin your chances of a good outcome are low. I have two friends who work in emergency medicine, one as an AO and their tales are sobering. Notwithstanding all of that, if the PIC wishes to squawk 7700 that is their prerogative. Once alerted ATC can easily ask them to return to their code. |
And you wonder why they call us 'Ozstranaughts' overseas. A bunch of nitwits have found yet another utterly pointless thing to bicker about, replete with underlined and bolded copy-pasted regs references no less!
To the Monday morning quarterbacks here: you ought to be aware that at least one of the pilots on this flight has read all your uninformed insights and opinions. I blame you for this J3pipercub. |
This board is for Professional Pilots right?
Medical Emergency 5.5.1 A pilot that is not engaged in the transport of patients under HOSP or MEDEVAC operations, should notify ATC of an on board medical emergency by declaring a PAN and appending the words ‘MEDICAL PRIORITY REQUIRED'. The pilot should specify any service attendance requirements such as RFFS. ATC will provide the flight with MEDEVAC priority but will not arrange an ambulance or activate aerodrome emergency procedures unless requested. Declaring a medical emergency does not satisfy the biosecurity pre-reporting requirements specified in GEN 1.3. |
I think there was a rule change on this in the last year with you now needing a Pan to get priority as shown above. If you make it a Mayday you will have the full emergency response with all the roads blocked and Hospitals on standby etc etc
You will definately make the front page of the paper if you did that in Sydney at peak hour on a Friday afternoon . |
Originally Posted by neville_nobody
(Post 10486018)
I think there was a rule change on this in the last year with you now needing a Pan to get priority as shown above. If you make it a Mayday you will have the full emergency response with all the roads blocked and Hospitals on standby etc etc
You will definately make the front page of the paper if you did that in Sydney at peak hour on a Friday afternoon . This was already being reported across the web whilst abeam Tasmania, and media crews were all in place at Tullamarine before it even landed. Flightradar24 and LiveATC gives you a front row seat these days. |
Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat
(Post 10485864)
And you wonder why they call us 'Ozstranaughts' overseas. A bunch of nitwits have found yet another utterly pointless thing to bicker about, replete with underlined and bolded copy-pasted regs references no less!.
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Originally Posted by morno
(Post 10486159)
I’ve worked overseas where I’ve been called an Austranaut. I wear it with pride when those who are calling us that, are the same ones who don’t even know basic rules to stop them from killing people. Until someone can show me what is wrong with knowing your stuff, I’ll continue to think less of those who have NFI. Can you believe some of these guys operating overseas don't even know how many rivets their plane has? Talk about a ticking timebomb of ignorance. |
Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat
(Post 10486641)
Thats it mate, couldn't agree more. God knows all those guys operating safely in Europe and the US with nothing like the severe weather and terrain we have here, just don't cut the mustard compared to the elite aviators we build locally, able to bicker and sternly lecture each other at a moments notice about in no way irrelevant tripe such as the precise wording of the regs in relation to the appropriate moment to squawk emergency in a medical.
Can you believe some of these guys operating overseas don't even know how many rivets their plane has? Talk about a ticking timebomb of ignorance. I still don’t see what is wrong with having a thorough understanding of the rules and having a thorough knowledge of your aircraft to be able to operate it efficiently. |
I blame you for this J3pipercub. |
Originally Posted by Lambswool
(Post 10486780)
Why blame J3?.
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Originally Posted by Keith Myath
(Post 10485170)
Don’t confuse Oz with the rest of the world. In this particular backwater, you can request medical priority until the cows come home, but it will make no difference until you pipe up with your ‘pan’ call to the pedant’s society (Australian ATC).
The rest of the world are unencumbered with this atom splitting approach, and allow a fair amount of common sense. So Keith, I find you calling Australian ATC "the pedants society" offensive in the extreme. I don't get to choose which rules I comply with. Every thing I say, click on the computer, and write down is recorded and can be used against me. Can you please let me know which rules you disregard and which airline you fly for so I can avoid it in the future. Regards Will |
Why oh why, do we not have a “like” button? |
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