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bazza stub 9th Aug 2018 18:45

Doctors usually only destroy one life at a time if they have bad day, and then they go home. A person scheduling surgery or booking patients doesn’t question a doctors decisions on a daily basis.

Full reval of their qualifications every year?? Doctors......?

Why do we compare ourselves to them?

Kranz 9th Aug 2018 22:38

https://amp.adelaidenow.com.au/business/sa-business-journal/cobham-has-launched-a-new-cadet-program-for-aspiring-pilots/news-story/3eb37bf11cc79cc55ee8ea877cfa0d3a

"The cadetship is funded primarily by Federal Government vocational and education training (VET) student loans"... Um funded...No. Great journalism there.
The cadetship is funded by the student... who has access to a loan. How hard is it to report accurately?

pilotchute 9th Aug 2018 23:48

Bazza,
Other pilots are the ones comparing themselves to doctors. I beleive that it's a bit fanciful to make that comparison. Medical doctors have to do a long stint at uni (5 years I think) and then two years of residency and after all of that try to get access to a college. GP's, Surgeons, Anaesthetists etc. If they get into a college then a few more years of training and maybe then they can relax. If your lucky you will be finished by the age of 30.

If you dont make it through residency or college training you can be a supervised hospital doctor or you can go into research, administration etc.

If you dont make it into the cockpit with your 100k CPL yoy have far fewer options.

bazza stub 10th Aug 2018 05:53

Pilotchute, I was basically making that point. Why are we comparing ourselves to a profession that has no resemblance to ours? Forget what other people get, we’re pilots and we should be more focused on making our jobs workable.

FMTAfterburn 25th Sep 2018 01:34

Contractual obligations
 
Woah, whats going on, the Border force contract has minimum requirements of experience and IRT renewals, no way a cadet would qualify to fly on these sorties unless Cobham extort the Government to make whole sale changes to their contractual obligations, or they commit to having a training pilot on every cadet flight, in which case there is no advantage. But hey it wouldn't be the first time they got away with conning the government.

Roller Merlin 25th Sep 2018 01:48

And don't forget the $270 fee just to be hopeful of the pineapple!

AerocatS2A 25th Sep 2018 02:10


Originally Posted by FMTAfterburn (Post 10257611)
Woah, whats going on, the Border force contract has minimum requirements of experience and IRT renewals, no way a cadet would qualify to fly on these sorties unless Cobham extort the Government to make whole sale changes to their contractual obligations, or they commit to having a training pilot on every cadet flight, in which case there is no advantage. But hey it wouldn't be the first time they got away with conning the government.

The contractual requirements have been flexible in the past (e.g., residency, citizenship, IRT renewals), I don't see why they wouldn't accomodate something like this.

Icarus2001 25th Sep 2018 04:02


doesn’t question a doctors decisions on a daily basis.
So how many decisions does an RPT jet pilot make each day? Level selection, final fuel load, which sector to fly and which meal to eat. Every other "decision" has been made for them by either the aircraft manufacturer, the regulator or their company. Think about it. Manuals are so prescriptive now that there is very little decision making in normal operations. Granted, with non normal operations the range of decisions widens but still mostly prescribed eg "land as soon as practicable" or " avoid icing conditions". Doctors on the other hand start with someone complaining of a "sore belly" then start from there.

morno 25th Sep 2018 05:16

You’re obviously an FO Icarus?

Icarus2001 25th Sep 2018 07:56

No, over a decade left seat. Perhaps you could list three “decisions” that are not prescribed?

morno 25th Sep 2018 09:02

Do you take much notice about what you’re doing?

How about just managing the flight, everything involves a decision in one way or another. If you’re just showing up and making 3 decisions I’d be a bit worried.

Capn Bloggs 25th Sep 2018 09:18

I think Iccy must have taken something...

FLGOFF 25th Sep 2018 09:46


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 10257640)
Doctors on the other hand start with someone complaining of a "sore belly" then start from there.

I would argue that a doctor has a lot of decisions made for them. A doctor would ask the patient more questions to get an idea of the symptoms, run some checks and narrow down the possibilities until they hopefully arrive at a diagnosis. They would utilise their knowledge of the human body and they would have ample resources and texts to refer to for assistance. This is very similar to how one might diagnose a technical issue in the aircraft by analysing the warnings, indications etc and diagnosing the issue and following the prescribed checklist. You could argue that a doctor doesn't have a checklist in front of them, but perhaps if they had to make big decisions in a short time frame whilst managing numerous other tasks at the same time, a handbook akin to a QRH might be beneficial.

Keg 25th Sep 2018 10:26


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 10257726)
No, over a decade left seat. Perhaps you could list three “decisions” that are not prescribed?

1. Can we board.
2. Can we close the last door.
3. Chicken or beef for lunch.

:ok: :} :E

SIDS N STARS 26th Sep 2018 10:29

4. One line NOTAMS or full text?
5. Intersection departure or full length?
6. Would you like poached eggs and bacon with hollandaise sauce on sourdough , or the cereal?

:{

Capn Bloggs 26th Sep 2018 10:47


Would you like poached eggs and bacon with hollandaise sauce on sourdough
We call it Eggs Benedict! :}

Capt Fathom 26th Sep 2018 11:02


We call it Eggs Benedict!
As a passenger, I’ve never been served that!

Icarus2001 26th Sep 2018 12:52

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6568459542.jpg

Capn Bloggs 26th Sep 2018 13:36

Yes Iccy, I am appalled! You should hang your head in shame! :{

exfocx 27th Sep 2018 02:59

Icarus,

I'm with you, no one rates a Pilot as high as a Pilot does.

For the love of god why do pilots keep thinking they're in the same league as Drs. Now, I'm not saying all Drs would make it as pilots, but if you looked at the requirements for Drs Vs Pilots I'd say it easily goes their way. Just to get into Uni for medicine you need to be in the top 2-3 %, then 6 yrs as it's post grad (as is dentistry and vet science), so you do your initial degree, then start your med degree, so 6 yrs at Uni, then your hospital training and that's at least 2 yrs.

Like I said I don't think every Dr would make it as a pilot (and not based on intelligence), but I'd bet you > 95% would piss it in and I'd say < 15% of Pilots would get through the Uni program for medicine. Far easier to train a pilot than a Dr, dentist, vet, engineer etc.

Not quite Dunning-Kruger, but on the way!


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