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Cobham Cadet Pilot Progam
Cobham press releaseCobham Cadet Pilot ProgamCobham Aviation Services has partnered with Flight Training Adelaide to provide a world-class cadetship program for aspiring pilots.The Cobham Cadet Pilot Program (CCPP) will commence in early 2019 with the first intake of cadets attending the 53-week residential training program at Flight Training Adelaide. The program is focused on bringing the best and brightest into our Special Mission operating business. One of the critical operations conducted by Cobham involves airborne surveillance spanning the country’s exclusive economic zone utilising ten highly modified Dash 8 aircraft. The cadets will be trained specifically with the skills and flight experience to become a Dash 8 First Officer at the conclusion of the program. Applications for the 2019 intake are open for a limited period from 3 August 2018. For more information and to apply, please visit: www.flyfta.com/pilot-training/cobham Todays Adelaide Advertiser Cobham has launched a new cadet program for aspiring pilotsGiuseppe Tauriello, The Advertiser August 3, 2018 12:30amASPIRING pilots are being sought by aviation group Cobham Aviation Services Australia for a new specialist cadet program launched in Adelaide. The Cobham Cadet Pilot Program is open to candidates with little or no flight experience, offering an opportunity to join the company’s special mission flight operations in Broome, Cairns and Darwin. As part of the special mission operations, Cobham conducts aerial surveillance for the Federal Government with a fleet of ten highly-modified Dash 8 aircraft. Cobham special mission general manager Ken Millar said the program would prepare cadets with all the skills needed to operate in the role of first officer on the specialist aircraft. “This is not regular passenger transport flying - it’s unique, hands-on, low-level flying,” he said. “Ultimately, graduates will have the rare opportunity to combine their love of flying with national security and environmental protection.” Cobham is partnering with Flight Training Adelaide to deliver the 53-week cadet program, which will commence early next year. Mr Millar said Cobham launched the program in response to the global pilot shortage, and to create entry-level opportunities to join its crews. “Flight Training Adelaide is a highly reputable and highly professional pilot training organisation and we are thrilled to partner with them on this exciting initiative,” he said. Applications are open until August 12, with the eight successful cadets to be based at Flight Training Adelaide’s Parafield Airport premises for the duration of the course. The cadetship is funded primarily by Federal Government vocational and education training (VET) student loans, with Cobham subsidising the balance of the training fees. |
Gee it’s pretty expensive. How many young aspiring pilots have that sort of money? |
Here's an idea Mr/Miss/Ms/Perz(?) Management, how about instead of neglecting pilot training to the extent that more than just a few airlines are parking a/c up against the fence, pay for people to learn, instead of naive youngsters coughing up $150k plus with zero guarantees.
What costs more, lease payments on a/c up against the fence, or investing in your future employees. I know what the bean counters will say, pilots are a cost. Reap what you sow. |
Sorry Cobham. You’ve got this one very wrong. |
Edited to remove fluff: Over the 1 year course, on top of maxing out the FEEHELP account at over 100k, an extra $44,000 required to be paid. No guaranteed position at Cobham, even if successfully completing the course. $270 to apply. Finish the course and turn down a job offer (regardless of base), Cobham issue a $20,098 bill. |
When was the last airline subsidised cadet course? |
Cathay
Emirates Etihad Singapore Airlines Kenya Airways All the Chinese airlines |
Isn't it say that $20,188.00 will be paid by Cobham and you'll only pay if you pull out if offered a job?
Most people using student loans are maxing out there student loan at $100,000 Also if under 22 Youth Allowance + Rent allowance is $16,000 per year towards the renting/meals Expensive but sadly kinda on par with students doing uni courses or student loans diploma. |
So let me get this straight! I pay over $100K for a job that will guarantee nothing in regard to an ongoing career. Any parent/carer/sponsor must ask the question "what does this guarantee?" the answer is nothing. My daughter has just finished Medicine and she has a Hex of $121K and she has more scope than what this offers. Remember Qantas sub-contract Cobham and the Jetstar Cadetship cost over $145K with no career expirations at all. Cobham and Jetstar are making money out of these schemes. Buyer beware! Most pilots turn up at an Airline with a qualification that cost the Airline nothing! This has to change. The Airline industry must stop spending money on themselves and start investing in the industry(both Pilots and Engineers) but I cannot see that happening anytime soon.
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The funniest thing is they probably actually think this will solve their pilot shortage.... |
If you were a young person and willing to bet on career longevity in spite of technological advances threatening the traditional two-pilot flight deck, why in hell would you consider this lame-brained* scheme? Better to attend Griffith or similar, get an E3 visa and fly in the US where the experience and remuneration are worth the entry price. *=cognitively challenged, with apologies to the actual lame, and the genuinely feeble-minded. |
A question from someone not up to date on military gear, does the governments recent $14billion purchase of long range surveillance drones look to replace the type of work Cobham special missions perform? |
Originally Posted by Derfred
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When was the last airline subsidised cadet course? |
As long as these program generate takers, the companies have no motivation to change the format.
Maybe if they announce a program and get ZERO responses, it'll get their attention. But that won't happen. |
Originally Posted by Street garbage
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Here's an idea Mr/Miss/Ms/Perz(?) Management, how about instead of neglecting pilot training to the extent that more than just a few airlines are parking a/c up against the fence, pay for people to learn, instead of naive youngsters coughing up $150k plus with zero guarantees.
What costs more, lease payments on a/c up against the fence, or investing in your future employees. I know what the bean counters will say, pilots are a cost. Reap what you sow. This is precisely why these 'schemes' will continue to pop up until airline HR/IR see their recruitment quotas fall below threshold. Airlines are facing a mean reversion that they ignored for decades: Demographic changes are slow to be felt but will overwhelm their model to the point that they will be faced with either changing the way they treat and remunerate pilots, or generate ZERO operating revenue. Maybe if they announce a program and get ZERO responses, it'll get their attention. But that won't happen. What will actually be the case is high school student "T" with time in the Air League, good marks at school and Captain of the Form 3 soccer team, hopes one day to be an airline pilot, as it looks cool*...." Such are the applications received from at least one Major operator * Changed to protect identity |
THe real issue seems to be that the Cobham dash 8 operation isn't a very enjoyable place to work. Whilst I have never been an employee I know many who have.
People don't quit jobs they quit management. This will simply get the FO to stay an extra 24 months before they all run away too. |
Now watch the exodus of mission coordinators and observers, they will be thrilled with the zero time copilots. Once upon a time you needed close to 5000 hours to get that seat on a Dash! |
They've put a "zero time" pilot through before (a Qantas cadet), he was very good, and there were no rumblings at all from the observer crews about it AFAIK. The crew are all on intercom, they can hear what's going on up the front, and they can tell when there's a "struggler" up there. They are also smart enough to know that hours has very little to do with it.
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No point slamming Cobham over this program - it is no different to every other Australian "cadet pilot program" - Virgin, Rex, Jetstar - they all require the student to end up paying for the course with no guarantee of a job at the end. They are all exactly the same as the university courses with a brand name attached. Its a pi$$ poor effort by airlines in Australia to manage business succession planning.
As a "mature age" wannabe pilot - I have a life set-up here in Aus but if I ever wanted to make it to an airline, I would have to consider moving to a different country to facilitate it (e.g. E3 to US). Its pretty disappointing that the bean counters that operate these airlines work to the MO of forcing potential pilots offshore at their own cost then poaching them back after a few thousand hours on type. I cant see it changing any time soon either. |
Originally Posted by hoss
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Now watch the exodus of mission coordinators and observers, they will be thrilled with the zero time copilots. Once upon a time you needed close to 5000 hours to get that seat on a Dash! |
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