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Good show. Well done, Bones and crew. :D
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Shouldn't have let you have a rest Pete . Good work crew .
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Of course, technical design of Airbus is that one never has direct control of the airplane. At best its either manual (with that silly sidestick), or through the autopilot(s), both electronic inputs, there is NO direct control available to the pilot.
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I'd have thought that was the case with any of the later FBW aircraft, irrespective of the size of their joysticks.
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Great job by the crew, but I’m confused by this sentence in the article: Using a military manoeuvre from his time in the navy, which was his best chance at recovering the aircraft if it pitched down again, a skilled Mr Sullivan successfully landed the plane at Learmonth airport. |
Originally Posted by captainrats
(Post 10175699)
terror-on-flight-qf72-
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The Air Crash Investigation TV show just did an episode on the flight. That’s why it’s back in the news. |
"...including simultaneous warnings the plane was in stall and overspeed at the same time — an impossibility..."
hmmmmm |
Hmmmmmm, I thought the same, maybe we should go back to flight school. |
Using a military manoeuvre from his time in the navy, which was his best chance at recovering the aircraft if it pitched down again, a skilled Mr Sullivan successfully landed the plane at Learmonth airport. |
second officer |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 10176329)
Great job by the crew, but I’m confused by this sentence in the article: I’ve read the ATSB report, they make no mention of any “military manoeuvre” performed that would have increased the chances of survival. From my understanding if the aircraft’s computer logic malfunctioned and suddenly caused it to have another pitch down event at that stage of flight there probably wasn’t anything the crew could’ve done to stop it. Are the press suggesting that if there had been wholly civilian trained pilots in the flight deck the chances of survival would have been decreased? I’ve seen that line of thinking being pushed a bit in the media lately, with regards to the Southwest Airlines uncontained engine failure incident especially. Anyway his watch doesn't look nearly big enough to be a true ex knuckle head. |
Captain Sullivan saved an aircraft 300 souls and the corporate future of both Qantas and Airbus His career was ended by PTSD as a direct result of this event.His treatment by Qantas is a stain on its history https://www.thetvdb.com/series/mayday/episodes/6686077 |
Originally Posted by captainrats
(Post 10177884)
His treatment by Qantas is a stain on its history. Agreed. |
Originally Posted by mrdeux
(Post 10177896)
Agreed.
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Hope it all works out for you Kev. Enjoyed working with you. Who’s inherited the “ Sh!t Magnet “ title at Qantas now that you’ve moved on ? |
Originally Posted by Street garbage
(Post 10177902)
..and just like Sonic in Japan....etc etc.
Kev had a near miss with that one. He'd flown the aircraft to Japan. |
Originally Posted by captainrats
(Post 10177884)
Captain Sullivan saved an aircraft 300 souls and the corporate future of both Qantas and Airbus His career was ended by PTSB Aas a direct result of this event.His treatment by Qantas is a stain on its history PTSB A --?? I am not aware of this as other than an Irish bank. I thought the Captain reached normal retirement with Qantas, that was the impression I got from an article published after he retired?? He certainly did a damned good job. Tootle pip!! PS: The B747-400 was prone to simultaneous high and low speed warnings, and a completely cocked up ADI speed display, but that was always a damaged AoA vane mechanical damage. The sights and sounds certainly added to the entertainment during takeoff and initial climb, where, in this case, it always became evident. Unlike Airbus, there was no effect on manual control. At least in the Boeing democracy, the pilot still has 51% of the votes. |
Originally Posted by LeadSled
(Post 10177908)
Captainrats,
PTSB A --?? I am not aware of this as other than an Irish bank. I thought the Captain reached normal retirement with Qantas, that was the impression I got from an article published after he retired?? He certainly did a damned good job. The B747-400 was prone to simultaneous high and low speed warnings, and a completely cocked up ADI speed display, but that was always a damaged AoA vane mechanical damage. The sights and sounds certainly added to the entertainment during takeoff and initial climb, where, in this case, it always became evident. Unlike Airbus, there was no effect on manual control. At least in the Boeing democracy, the pilot still has 51% of the votes. And you can get 100% of the vote if you force an Airbus to direct law. It's just that's there's no individual switch to do that. |
I assume, from that, that PTSD is a medical condition?? Are you referring to post traumatic stress disorder?
Tootle pip!! |
Apologies....typo....corrected Yes: Post Traumatic Stress Disorder |
Originally Posted by captainrats
(Post 10177884)
Captain Sullivan saved an aircraft 300 souls and the corporate future of both Qantas and Airbus His career was ended by PTSD as a direct result of this event.His treatment by Qantas is a stain on its history https://www.thetvdb.com/series/mayday/episodes/6686077 captainrats and mr deux: could you please enlighten us on how Captain Sullivan and Sonic were allegedly betrayed by Qf. |
I would suggest that Qantas is no different to any of our large corporations here in Australia when it comes to staff. They really don’t care. The only thing that matters is their bonus. The rest is just just for show. They’d sell their own grandmother given the chance. |
Wombat Watcher Surely that is a rhetorical question |
Wombat Watcher,
Like most incidents at Qantas, they were guilty until proven innocent....and even then, the Company treated them like....crap is the nice word for it. Sit down and have a beer with Sonic and let him tell what really went on, and how he was treated by Management. Not all Captains who successfully manage an incident get to write books... |
I’m still waiting for the book by the (then) 744 Captain who has the oxy bottle explosion and depressurisation into Manila ex HKG. I know he contributes semi regularly here on PPRUNE but suspect humility prevents him from going into print. I’d read Kev’s book too if he wrote one. Still won’t go near De Crespigny’s work of semi fiction. ‘Inspired by true events’ I think is how they describe it in the movie world. Im just saddened by the lack of recognition that Kev got from Qantas for handling what was a very complex and difficult situation. One that didn’t end when they got on the ground. |
could you please enlighten us on how Captain Sullivan and Sonic were allegedly betrayed by Qf https://www.pprune.org/australia-new...-punitive.html |
Originally Posted by Keg
(Post 10178781)
I’d read Kev’s book too if he wrote one. Still won’t go near De Crespigny’s work of semi fiction. |
Originally Posted by Street garbage
(Post 10178734)
Wombat Watcher,
Like most incidents at Qantas, they were guilty until proven innocent....and even then, the Company treated them like....crap is the nice word for it. Sit down and have a beer with Sonic and let him tell what really went on, and how he was treated by Management. Not all Captains who successfully manage an incident get to write books... is this the same JB, the hero of Virgin who was once CEO QF International? is this the same Sonic who was personally contacted by JB soon after the incident, given certain advice on how to proceed, ignored it, tried to skip the country to avoid possible arrest after advice from the local Japan ALPA rep, was denied boarding at checkin at Osaka airport and subsequently had to be dipomatically extracted from the mess? It surely must have been someone else.:= |
Originally Posted by wombat watcher
(Post 10178951)
is this the same JB, the hero of Virgin who was once CEO QF International? is this the same Sonic who was personally contacted by JB soon after the incident, given certain advice on how to proceed, ignored it, tried to skip the country to avoid possible arrest after advice from the local Japan ALPA rep, was denied boarding at checkin at Osaka airport and subsequently had to be dipomatically extracted from the mess? It surely must have been someone else.:= I’ll leave the link to the report below, lest anyone accuse me of taking the piss :) http://www.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/eng-air_report/VH-QPE.pdf https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.gmf...73f2e7774.jpeg |
Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
(Post 10176573)
So repeatedly pulling back on the stick until the aircraft responds is something only the the US Navy teaches?
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"is this the same JB, the hero of Virgin who was once CEO QF International?"
Wombat, the International CEO who wanted to leave Sonic in a Japanese jail was LS, not JB. |
Originally Posted by maggotdriver
(Post 10182704)
Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
(Post 10176573)
So repeatedly pulling back on the stick until the aircraft responds is something only the the US Navy teaches?
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LS didn’t join Qf until 2008, was Chief operating officer until 2012 then became CEO Qf Domestic. he was never CEO International. There was no such position in 2005. J B was EGM Qantas. |
Support Captain Kevin Sullivan....he bloody well deserves it https://www.change.org/p/australian-...share_petition |
Done
Outstanding bloke
Outstanding airman Recognition way overdue |
Please forgive my ignorance. Just why would a national airline sack a captain who made the only difference that saved everyone on board following a technical "glitch"? Didn't that make him an immensely better pilot for it? I just don't get the rationale behind it.
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No-one got sacked. |
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