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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
(Post 10188058)
Hang on, who's school is it?
I don't think QF has any intention of doing much of that. Qantas executive management failed to anticipate a shortage that has been axiomatic for decades, failed to invest in pilot training, simply 'fishing out' GA, the military and now looks overseas to solve a problem that reside in IR and level 9, building A. They succeeded driving down terms and conditions in their home market to a level that means there is insufficient supply! Finally they want the taxpayer to foot the bill for a steady 'stream' (pun intended) of pilots. It used to be politics was the refuge of the scoundrel, it now surely is Coward street. |
I noticed a news article on my phone this afternoon, from the www.ntnews.com.au (NT News),
under the heading ''time to put the NT back into QF". Apparently QF management are in Alice Springs today, evaluating the city's bid. It appears the selection process for a location has started. Recent reports have indicated, there are currently up to 15,000 (fifteen thousand) applicants, applying for the initial 100 first year training positions, at the QF Academy. |
It appears the selection process for a location has started. Nice trip around the country for a select few! |
For any large scale flying academy to have any hope of success, you need a stable and competent instructor base. Can't see Alice attracting and holding talent.
My pick would be Avalon, as it has all the goodies - ATC, ILS, both complex and simple airspace nearby, some terrain but not too serious, a bit of weather sometimes but generally reliable, good outfields for the bugsmashers to play. Attractive city life and beaches not far away to keep students and staff happy etc. Wellcamp would run a close second, with the added attraction that the owners want business. For selfish reasons I would like to see it at Launceston, but fear the weather and terrain could be against it. As for Busselton - tell 'em they're dreaming...they HATE aircraft down that way. |
They all HATE aircraft. Until they bring in the buck$. Then it's love at first sight! :oh:
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As for Busselton - tell 'em they're dreaming...they HATE aircraft down that way |
I guess it will come down to which council is willing to prostrate themselves the most. They are in for a world of hurt dealing with QF if they are "lucky" enough to be selected. I hope their ratepayers have deep pockets.
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I see in the Australian today Wellcamp is chasing the gig.Could have a chance with OKY ILS , VOR and NDB just up the road plus TWB NDB. fine weather and close to BNE.It seems to tick all the boxes!!
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Word on the street Alan Joyce has been pretty chummy with a certain chairman of a regional carrier who owns a flying school. Very interesting.
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
(Post 10207502)
Word on the street Alan Joyce has been pretty chummy with a certain chairman of a regional carrier who owns a flying school. Very interesting.
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Cost of instruction to QANTAS
QANTAS Will probably make a profit from the new academy. They will have the student pay their own fees through the VET Student loan scheme (VSL) now available to some flying schools in Australia.
Also, does it seem strange to you that Sydney TAFE will only use Sydney flight college to do their training? This appears to me to limit student choice. I would be interested to know if the training went out to tender as per NSW government procurement policy. It is not a good look given that several SFC members are TAFE staff. |
It could still be Launy
.... but probably not! :E The Qantas Group has today confirmed it will open its Pilot Academy across two locations in regional Australia to meet anticipated demand. The Academy is part of the Qantas Group’s plans to build a long-term talent pipeline for its airlines and the broader industry to meet the increasing need for skilled aviators. Boeing’s latest estimates show that 790,000 more pilots will be required globally over the next 20 years, around one third of them in Asia Pacific. Plans for the Qantas Group Pilot Academy were announced in February this year and it’s expected the first site will be operational during 2019. Nine regional cities across Australia – Alice Springs, Bendigo, Busselton, Dubbo, Launceston, Mackay, Tamworth, Toowoomba and Wagga Wagga – have been shortlisted. A decision on both sites will be announced in coming weeks. Qantas Group CEO Alan Joyce said that initial scoping had shown that two locations would be needed to reach the Academy’s potential. “We’re aiming to train up to 100 pilots in year one but we expect this to grow to as many as 500 a year and that can only be achieved if we have more than one location,” Mr Joyce said. “Adding up to 250 students plus instructors and support staff to any of these places needs the right infrastructure at airports, but also in the towns themselves. “The Academy represents a commercial opportunity for Qantas, but it’s also important for the future of Australian aviation. We expect that pilots completing their training with the Academy could fly for other airlines, the defence force or services like the Royal Flying Doctors.” Mr Joyce said the Qantas team involved in selecting the locations had been impressed at the community support for the investment across Australia. “Our team has travelled across the country to meet with community leaders, airport operators and local suppliers in each of the nine shortlisted locations,” Mr Joyce said. “We’ve been really impressed with the enthusiasm from each of the shortlisted cities. It’s been fantastic. And it’s reflected in the levels of support put forward by governments, councils and the private sector. There’s a lot of excitement about using the Academy to leverage more jobs and investment for the region. We really appreciate the time and effort they’ve put in to the bids.” The Academy’s second site is expected to be operational in 2020. The total initial investment of $20 million is unchanged, reflecting the levels of third party support. Almost 17,000 people have so far registered their interest in the Academy via qantas.com/pilotacademy. The national carrier is encouraging more women to consider a career in aviation, which globally stands at just three per cent. To date, around 16 per cent of people registering interest in the Academy are female. |
Originally Posted by Keg
(Post 10231074)
‘Our team has travelled across the country to meet with the people who will give us money to train our pilots in each of the nine shortlisted locations,” Mr Joyce said. We’ve been really impressed with the money from each of the shortlisted cities. It’s been fantastic. And it’s reflected in the levels of money put forward by governments, councils and the private sector. There’s a lot of excitement about using the Academy to leverage more money and investment from the region. We really appreciate the money and effort they’ve put in to the bids.’ |
They are going to have to be speedy Gonzalez if it’s to be up and running when they claim. How many will it attract if you still have to fork out that amount of money, more than you do ordinarily? People are more informed about things these days and the internet provides an awful lot of information in which to make an informed decision. It’s one of the reasons the issue is a global one. |
Originally Posted by Jeps
(Post 10231204)
They are going to have to be speedy Gonzalez if it’s to be up and running when they claim. How many will it attract if you still have to fork out that amount of money, more than you do ordinarily? People are more informed about things these days and the internet provides an awful lot of information in which to make an informed decision. It’s one of the reasons the issue is a global one. Unfortunately for little napoleon intent doesn't put pilots in cockpits. From the European perspective it was very interesting to see how badly the RYR people read the pilot market. For decades they have had unlimited supply, every facet of their IR posture is predicated upon it, they speak in European business and aviation forums about it. Modern airline management very quickly picked up the adversarial approach but not many noticed the obvious flaw in the model: pilot supply. With large sunk costs on an airline career, and unlimited supply many possible applicants did not see the return on investment. The internet allows a very quick understanding to be gained adding valuable data points in the decision making matrix. Qantas is no different to RYR or any other adversarial employer, their system is not designed to be flexible, it doesn't recognise the changed market. Short of another 'melt down' there is no way that more of the same; high entry costs, low return on investment and suspect career trajectories will attract enough 'suitable' applicants. The demographic trends will turn their IR models on their head! Whether 17,000 school kids have put in applications and 16% of females are in the mix what actually translates to Operating Revenue is the ability of the model to put pilots in cockpits. This model is flawed as the model is still predicated on unlimited supply. With the small print likely containing very many nasty 'conditions' Caveat Emptor |
Originally Posted by angryrat
(Post 10231179)
Anyone who applies for this academy had better do it with their eyes wide open. It’s a commercial opportunity for Qantas. Read Qantas takes your money and you have a qualification at the end. Nothing more, such as a job at the end of the course to pay off the $150k you drop on the course. |
Tamworth and Toowoomba seem like logical choices, that’s where I’ll put my money on. |
Hoss, drop YSTW and put your $$$ on YBWW, no council to plead with just the "family". There is no doubt Q are not putting any coin down for this, all smoke and mirrors to get others to do so. The jungle drums say they have short listed the "service provider" down to 4 so probably be announced soon (one from o/s). Who cares anyway, it will be just another Q cluster F%&K.
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What will happen to Qantas Academy Students who don’t get hired by Qantas? I was wondering about the stigma of being a QF Qcademy grad looking for a job. Since QF mainline will only need circa 80 pilots a year eventually, and the group perhaps another 50 (?), where will the remaining graduates go? Will they be seen as damaged goods? Is a debt of $150,000 a good gamble with 3:1 odds? How about if the payoff is flying a clapped out 320 for crap pay for Network? |
It's a great plan. Get people to pay $110k plus for a CPL and then tell them you can only pay them $60k because there is a oversupply of pilots.
You pay them and they turn around and screw you. Genius! !!! |
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