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Rated De 4th Nov 2017 04:44

Caveat emptor

Adversarial industrial posture at airlines is replicated in most industries.

The problem with this approach is that the idea is it assumes that you can pursue ever lowering of remuneration or 'labour unit cost' without compromising product; poor service in a restaurant. So to the practitioner a pilot or flight attendant is another labour unit to be minimised. They have by design no connection with the operation, little understanding or how revenue is actually generated nor do they care.

The modern derivations of airlines are the manifestation (Ryanair, AirAsia and Jetstar are industrially motivated business models) of the insistence that labour unit cost be minimised without repercussion. The reality when something goes wrong shows to all present that sometimes quality costs....

The HR/IR people are never present, always fly premier airlines and have their weekends off

Centaurus 4th Nov 2017 14:01


The casual passenger has no idea, especially if there isn't any warning. So, if one is sitting in 65k in relative serenity when all hell apparently breaks loose with masks appearing and the aircraft dropping like a proverbial brick with attendant noise and shudder, why in hell wouldn't he or she be terrified?
On the other hand you can be like the little old lady on her first flight Nauru to Apia, Samoa. A four hour flight normally. 30 years ago. 737-200. Dark night departure.

20 minutes out of Nauru 31,000 ft uncommanded de-pressurisation with cabin rising. Emergency descent started (rightly or wrongly as it turned out). Oxy masks didn't drop because cabin never got above 14,000 ft. Cabin was under control passing 25,000 ft and aircraft levelled out and decision made to go back to Nauru. Appropriate PA made to passengers and cabin attendants. All OK down the back except for a few sore ears.

Landed Nauru and passengers disembarked while techs fixed the pressurisation.
As the little old lady was helped down the stairs, she said quite serenely to the cabin attendant "That was a quick flight - Are we at Apia already?" :D

PW1830 4th Nov 2017 23:50

Approaching Norfolk in a DC4, shut down #3 engine. LOL calls cabin crew and asks if we are getting close to Norfolk. Cabin crew reassuringly says yes. LOL smugly replies - I thought so they are starting to stop the engines.
A different generation of Pax (and crew).

WingNut60 22nd Nov 2017 00:59


From Geoffery Thomas - West Australian newspaper

Report into Air Asia flight QF535 found pressurization system to blame

AirAsia flight QF535 was on its way to Bali from Perth and had started climbing from 24,000ft to its initial cruise altitude of 34,000ft when problems emerged.
Luckily, Geoff and AJ seem to be on good speaking terms....

Should be able to find newly released Interim Report on ATSB site or;

https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...r/ao-2017-098/

piratepete 30th Nov 2017 05:28

Early this morning on joining the ILS at Kuala Lumpurs second airport was asked by ATC "is the Localiser okay?".Replied yes its seems normal but a little later I noticed it was in fact offset from the runway center line......On landing the reason for this became apparent.During type rating circuit training the A320 had departed the end of the runway and crashed in to the LOC equipment!!No injuries apparently but the 320 was badly damaged.The usual airline spin stated there was an "incident"..........AGAIN.

Icarus2001 30th Nov 2017 07:31

What, the tower staff did not notice an A320 run off the end?

http://www.thesundaily.my/news/2017/...aining-session

PoppaJo 30th Nov 2017 09:12

That accident (not incident) pretty much sums up their check and training standards.

I’ve noted the ATSB has extended a few open incidents with this mob since the last few have occurred. Let’s hope they are having a closer look and digging deeper.

Bug Smasher Smasher 1st Dec 2017 02:38

And again.
 
ATSB report.

Jeps 1st Dec 2017 04:13

I would say people are only going to pay attention when this mob is involved in a fatal incident. But that’s already occurred.....

4 Holer 1st Dec 2017 05:10

What is your CASA going to say when they spear an A330 into the houses in an Australia major city, all onboard and many on the ground dead with a smoldering wreck and a bunch of houses to clear up. Imagine the TV footage ???

"In the interest of Safety "

" Safe Skies for All except AS pax "

What BS all talk no action tick tock tick tock.

wheels_down 4th Dec 2017 01:15

Why did the ATSB mark this early turn as an accident not incident?

This mob skating on wafer thin ice now.

Capn Bloggs 4th Dec 2017 01:32


Why did the ATSB mark this early turn as an accident not incident?
It is an incident.

wheels_down 4th Dec 2017 01:44

Looks like a keying error as it was marked as accident when it was released, now incident!

Either way they are an accident waiting to happen.

Ken Borough 4th Dec 2017 05:04

What does a carrier have to do to be banned from Australia's airspace? I recall that Garuda were once banned in Europe but allowed to operate to/from Australia. At what point do the Australian regulators step in to protect Australian consumers?

t_cas 4th Dec 2017 05:08


Originally Posted by Ken Borough (Post 9977955)
What does a carrier have to do to be banned from Australia's airspace? I recall that Garuda were once banned in Europe but allowed to operate to/from Australia. At what point do the Australian regulators step in to protect Australian consumers?

It would appear that geopolitical interests outweigh safety oversight.

neville_nobody 4th Dec 2017 06:32

CASA are to busy smashing VH operators to worry about actually protecting the travelling public. Besides even if a foreign carrier ploughs one in, CASA are not responsible.

To honest if they were to shut down a non VH registered operator the racism card would be pulled out pretty quickly and CASA then hauled before some makeshift senate inquiry to explain their actions.

PoppaJo 4th Dec 2017 06:33

DPS Last Week.

http://i68.tinypic.com/dep89f.jpg

Jeps 4th Dec 2017 20:07

We all want the best deals on things, airfares being no exception. But at what point do you say enough is enough? The flying public appears to care deeply about safety up until the point they have to pay for it.

Icarus2001 5th Dec 2017 02:21

I don't believe being a so called LCC is a primary reason here.

C441 5th Dec 2017 07:40


I don't believe being a so called LCC is a primary reason here.
Assuming that's a secondary reason; then what is a primary reason for this particular carrier featuring so prominently in events in the region?


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