Very Competative $2270 Perth - London
 

Seems GT the aviation expert needs to do his homework. Quoting the new direct London flight from Perth as very competative in the local press at $2270 return! Just looked on sky scanner Singapore Air is $1620 on the start date next march.
Where does he get off with Qantas promotion and misinformation? Should he be outed for paid advertising?

You realise SQ isn't direct PH-LHR don't you?

Supply and demand

You can fly Air NZ MEL/SYD-AKL-LAX for about 20% cheaper than AKL-LAX direct.

One would assume the MEL-LHR via Dubai or Perth would be the same price or close to as you can fly other carriers about 60mins longer.

Prices will sink within a 6 month window of the date. I recently purchased Singapore A380 MEL-LHR $1100 4 months in advance. A year out it was $2500.

Travel time via Perth is 90mins quicker than via Dubai. Whether that's worth the saving is up to the individual I guess.

In travel industry speak it is.
If you don't change direction (by much), even with a stop, it's direct.
The Qantas PER-LHR is "non-stop" in the jargon.

I've even seen BNE-AKL-LAX quoted as "direct". At least PER-SIN-LHR is almost "great circle direct"! :confused:

C441.

Technically speaking a direct fight has 2 or more legs without a change of flight number.

In the case of QF9 now a MEL-PER-LHR service it can be sold as a nonstop flight/service PER-LHR or as a direct flight/service MEL-LHR. That will confuse the punters.

31 inch seat pitch, 9 across, , 17 hours and 2000 bucks? awesome

I believe it is 32 inches in economy with slimline seats that add more usable leg room. So from that aspect it is on par with what you would need for a 17 hour haul.

There's no getting around the narrow seating that comes with nine across in a 787 though.

If you live in Perth its a non stop flight.
If you have to get to Perth first,then its not.

Any idea what other destinations are planned with the 787?

I think its time to change to the QF FF scheme.

Who in their right mind would choose a stop over in the middle east? About time that ****hole gets put in its place.

Kudos to QF for ordering the right aircraft.

If 787/350 or 321NEO isn't on your order books you just ain't in the game.

This is the rumour that was going around December last year. I recall someone else posting it previously on PPRUNE?

Aeroplanes 1 and 2- MEL- LAX
Aeroplanes 3 and 4- MEL- PER- LHR
Aeroplanes 5 and 6- BNE- LAX- NYC
Aeroplanes 7 and 8- SYD- YVR, SYD- PEK.

IIRC the next batch of 787s need to start being firmed up towards the end of this year? That's second hand from one of the recent meetings.

I'd like to know when GT decided for himself that he'd rename Singapore Airlines. To all the people I know, it's Singapore 'Airlines'... it says so in big letters on the side of the aeroplane. Just another example of how GT doesn't quite even get the language right. That might endear him to the uninformed but it does not carry any currency with people who know what they're talking about. Maybe it is very competitive, maybe it isn't but whether the direct/non-stop nomenclature crowds things or not, he does not qualify to determine what's competitive... or did he somehow become an airline economics expert while he was chucking bags.

Brisbane-Chicago

Who would want to pay a premium for a 17 hour non-stop flight? No one from the eastern states. Singapore is a far better option on an A380.

I pity those in Melbourne who are now on a smaller, noisier aircraft, and have to stop in Perth for 90 minutes to add insult to injury.

They really need to get rid of the old 747's to Tokyo, so a 787-9 would be an upgrade there, and bring them into line with ANA & JAL once they (Qantas) fit them with wifi.

787s to Tokyo would be a huge reduction in capacity compared to the 744.
The 744 is doing it without overtime pay to the pilots, expect shorter sectors to be flown by 747s and 380s, especially if the pax numbers are there.

So Qantas plan the networks on pilot overtime? Are you really that gullible?
Amazing that Qantas made billions of dollars profit for a few years without the 787 having even arrived.
787 was never going to Asia, only AIPA thought that.
As Alan said' "The 787 was made to fly ultra-long Haul routes like Perth to London".

I am not that gullible, but that seems to be how thick our leaders are, at least by their rhetoric at EBA time.
Also by what a base manager said to me last week.:rolleyes:
The combination of fuel economy and crew costs will make it more likely that the 787 will do long sectors while the fuel hungry four engine types will reduce to shorter sectors.
This is why the company line was so strong on the change of contract for the 787.;)

Never asia? I do wonder what will do the current 330 intl flying when that fleets time comes...? 5 years time?

Maggot. My guess is the B787-10.

As trends go there replace the A330's with 737's.

Will be quite the network then

Ha

It appears QF sales between PER and LHR on the nonstop have been disappointing after all the publicity. The reason being they are double the cost of their competitors using either a stop in the ME or a stop in Asia.

Industry analysts privately have held concerns that despite the spin, the route would likely be thin.

Operationally it seems a bit of a stretch, perhaps not the correct aircraft. This a function of a decade of neglect of QF as much as anything.

If in fact ticket sales are not strong then perhaps the Qantas bashing induced by management against brand, staff and indeed customers has had a tangible effect on their demand elasticity.

So who actually has access to say its not selling?

Thin route? Gees if a 78 cant do it then maybe...

Any travel agent can see the loads

Given the long lead time I doubt anyone would be expecting full aircraft just yet.

Run the service via Singapore instead of non stop. Then there is a wide body on that route to compete with SQ and Scoot. Onward passengers can be picked up in Singapore from the J* network and other Australian cities served by QF. Tickets could even be sold to passengers originating in Singapore.

The aircraft could easily be filled up as seats would be sold in different markets enabling selective discounting. Bali to London could be priced lower than Brisbane to London if required. A Singapore stopover could be offered as an alternative to Dubai or even an addition as both cities could be visited as part of a London trip.

direct means same aircraft. Before QF flew BNE/LAX nonstop, they flew BNE/AKL/LAX & so BNE/LAX could be called direct, but it wasn't nonstop.

because every other airline is trying to give away seats at present. We heading into one massive recession & everyone knows it, except some silly people who keep buying real estate in SYD & MEL.

As we picked up in other threads the hastily convened EK 'alliance' does not seem to make any money, nor is there upside in passenger numbers through Dubai.. Traffic patterns suggest the Asian routes are much preferred.

Is this hail-Mary ULH route a tacit admission that the EK alliance necessitates a hub through Dubai and trying to get something via Perth a way out of the spiral Joyce signed QF up for?

They cannot.

They can see only availability.

Qantas staff with access to Amadeus/Altea/Staff Travel can see loads

Not on Staff Travel; it just shows N/A and can't be booked on S/T until about October.

I'm not sure too many staff will want to go that way anyway. The chances of being offloaded for seat availability will be bad enough but if it is looking tight on gas PER-LHR (and it will) you're a near certainty to get bumped.

A swarm of 787s from Aust capitol cities into DXB/orSIN/orBKK/orKUL (insert your favourite hub here), then redistribute pax and onwards to lots of points in Europe would work a treat. The hub you have when not having a HUB. Seems to work for the competition.

A quick question.

When I fly Q from Melbourne to LHR via PER, will I have to collect bags from domestic terminal, re-checkin international flight and then pass immigration? Same the other way round? How can that be batter than going via SIN, BKK, DXB, AUH, DOH, HKG, PEK, NRT, or any others?

No. If you're flying on the QF9 you'll be on the same jet all the way through and your bags will be checked all the way through.

If you're coming from somewhere else (say ADL or SYD) you'll have a 200m walk (or less) between the T4 domestic gates to the T3 international departure area. You'll have to go through customs but with only a couple of hundred people I don't reckon that'll be an issue and youlll probably already be checked in.

Like occurs in any other port in Australia now, your bags can be checked all the way through from your domestic flight.

Returning may be a bit different if you're transiting and going to ADL. You'll need to clear customs in PER before checking in for the domestic flight. I suspect that will be made pretty seamless though and again, it's not like there's going to be heaps of people. If you're going to MEL though you'll clear customs in MEL.

Reduced customs times in PER with fewer int departures/arrivals is one positive I can see. If it really works out that way and if it lasts of course. In the old days a lot of customers when HNL-US for precisely that reason - Kerry Packer included.

Rechecking baggage on the return leg will be a hassle for any domestic connection...

More likely your bag will still be tagged through and will be dropped at a desk after the CIQ barrier just like in the old days of International (QF and others) to Domestic transfers to TN and AN.

Originally Posted by pilotchute View Post
Any travel agent can see the loads

worked with Amadeus few years back, when I was multitasking for a small airline & travel agents sometimes book seats on a flight until it is sold out, so they can see availability & they can see how many seats can be sold, before an airline says no more, so this is effectively the load, plus maybe a few % for the no show factor.

Way I understand it, if an agent or whoever, books seats in a CRS, the airline isn't charged straight away, so if the agent cancels the seats relatively quickly, the airlines is not charged by the CRS company & doesn't get ****ty with the agent.

Had to ban some agents, who would book out a flight & not cancel the ones they didn't want straight away, so the airline was charged segment fees by CRS & yet got no revenue from the sale of tickets & probably lost sales, as no one else was able to book those flights, so leakage to other airlines was probably happening. You had to wonder, if the agents, were being paid in some form, to stuff up our inventory.

Remember stories similar to this when Compass mark 1 started. Res staff (talking 1990 before the internet) would answer the phone & would only get clicking sound, so someone, probably from Ansett or TAA/Qantas had organised for computers to continually dial Compass's 1800 number & therefore jam the phones, so real customers couldn't get thru. It happens, but very hard to prove.