Time for a new CEO
 

You don't have to look too far to see who is responsible for screwing this up. It's the CEO.
He has treated everyone with complete disdain with his miss handling of Bali. He has infuriated loyal VA clients, and treated the Indonesian regulator with complete arrogance and cultural insult.
Now he has successfully handed all of VA's clients over to the competition on a destination that carries FOUR MILLION tourists a year from Australia alone. VA was even the carrier of choice between SA and Bali. It's all gone now. Nobody liked Tiger.
The leopard has shown it's spots, the tiger never had any stripes and neither should the fool who miss managed this FAILURE !!:=:=:=:=:=

Presumably few of the Tiger passengers stranded in Bali knew (or cared) that they were flying on a Virgin plane with a Tiger paint job. Or that Tiger had no Air Operators Certificate for the route.
Suppose the situation was reversed. Would Australia allow Lion to fly here without an AOC, using planes leased from Garuda?
Likewise how many passengers flying on Cobham think they are on Qantas; just because Cobham paints its Boeing 717 jets with a Qantas logo?

Spel chek! :}

This stuff doesn't happen to Q, because they dot their i's and cross their t's, before they march. There may be the possibility that VA and its affiliates don't. Why?

Your not Ken Borough in a different form are you? It has happened to Q and as I pointed out to Ken, Jetstar HK was a classic example of Q hubris getting in the way of a good understanding of local rules. If anyone thinks that J* tried to set up the HK operation without Q input,guidance and finances then they are naive at best or just DADS. Clearly Virgin have made a major misjudgement as to what is acceptable to the Indonesian authorities but lets not pretend that it is exclusive to airlines other than Qantas.

I disagree. J* HK was a disaster, that I agree with, but that was a Qantas management initiative. It had its own management and staff as does all JQ airlines everywhere. Corporate management do not organise these types of approvals, the airlines themselves do. TT and VA are slightly different in that this operation is a conjoined twin at the moment, so who gets the approval ? etc....... But it appears that some lackey from TT may have sold this "charter thing" to management and they bought it. Now TT is in the poo, and they have dragged VA into it. As someone said, imagine if this had have been the other way around. We'd have had them strung up.

And no I'm not Ken. But we both can see the wood.

Sorry corporate management are very much involved in any decision like this as they sign off on it. Sure they don't do the actual leg work but they are not blind to what is being arranged. If you agree that Jetstar HK was a disaster you can't then state that the event that Virgin is going through would never happen to QF. Its the same attitude that "we" are smarter than "them".

Some major differences. The 717 jets belong to Qantas not Cobham. Every boarding pass shows it is a service operated by Cobham for Q. It is also painted on the hull near the door (or it was).

According to wikipedia the Boeing 717s are owned by Cobham Aviation Services Australia, not Qantas.

My weekly commute to Sydney on a Cobham 717 indicates that it is operated by National Jet for Qantas on my boarding pass. Go figure.

Wikipedia is wrong. Consult the annual report. 717's are listed as QantasLink aircraft. 747 freighters and BAe146 freighters are specifically excluded as a wet lease.

As to the topic of the thread. I see some similarity in the troubles TT are having in Bali and the fate of JQ in HKG. In each case there was a dubious ownership structure designed to look like it complied with foreign/local ownership provisions and both carriers had got away with the ruse in the past or in other jurisdictions. But eventually someone declares that the emperor has no clothes and stops the airlines flaunting the rules.

JQ HKG was not a Hong Kong carrier and was blocked from operating. Tiger Aus is neither Australian nor Indonesian so can not be allowed to freely sell tickets to and from Bali.

Clever work arounds are great while they work but they may not work forever.

And according to the Australian Aircraft Register, Qantas Airways Ltd owns 15 of them, the other five are leased. All 20 are operated by National Jet Systems P/L which is Cobham.

We must be walking in the Reality National Park BB, as opposed to the others who are in the Kool Aid National Park and gulping huge quantities from the spring of spin.

How old are you? Too funny.

Wikipedia. Saw it on the internet. Must be true.......




Drop Bear - Australian Museum


:p

Survive a drop-on by 120kg? I doubt it! :}

So now flights are suspended until 25th March. Depending which line you believe, giving time for Tiger to meet "new" Indonesian requirements.

Whichever way you look at it, the travelling public would be forgiven for thinking that Tiger management struggle to play by the rules. I don't think they have forgotten the grounding of the entire airline.

You're probably overthinking it. The bogans will pick whatever airfare is the cheapest at the time.

Ehhh... it's taken a while for people to forget about Tiger's service in the early days. A lot of people I know haven't tried them since. Things were just starting to turn around before this happened, I really wonder what damage this will do in the long run. There's definitely an element of "fooled me once".

Having said that, the Indonesian government makes for an excellent scapegoat as the Bali bogans know as well as anyone how corrupt the authorities there can be - whether or not that has any relevance to the flight cancellations.

This bogan won't fly tiger, not ever.