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wheels_down 4th Feb 2017 04:12

More Jakarta excuses...
 
'Runway Maintenance'. :ugh:

Singapore Airlines postpones Sydney-Jakarta-Singpore service | Australian Aviation

porch monkey 4th Feb 2017 04:20

As I mentioned a number of posts back. Look closer to home. Octane is on the money. The Indos have simply honoured the original agreement, WITHOUT extensions. Make of that what you will...........

AerialPerspective 4th Feb 2017 04:29


Originally Posted by Open Descent (Post 9636797)
The whole Bali thing has been a fiasco since the decision to operate it under a separate AOC, a decision that has never been explained well enough to make me understand the reasons behind it in the first place.

When VA pilots began operating old VA 737's in Tiger livery as part of the Tiger operation under the VAI AOC (:ugh::ugh::ugh:), something like this was always bound to happen.

We have been told very little other than what has occurred has done so as a result of the Indonesian Government imposing new administrative requirements. Take that to mean whatever you like, but the mind certainly does boggle.

So true, but it highlights the gross incompetence of that entire group... the wunderkind who the media couldn't get enough of some years ago has been there 6-7 years now and you can track it by the losses and the reduction of the shares down to mere cents of value. There are supposedly a number of leading airlines owning this complete excuse for an airline group and they sit back and do nothing (other than Air NZ who bailed, no coincidence that they are seen as one of the world's best) yet the others sit there and pump in billions while superman (who's not so super in the media anymore0 explains one disastrous result after the other on 'difficult' or 'depressed' trading conditions). When and what does this bloke have to do to get sacked??? They are in serious need of someone who actually knows what they are doing to come in and they should start by purging all the people who jockey for position and know nothing out the door and actually employing people who know how to run an airline business, including how to mount international operations. JQ did this in 2006 in about 5 months on it's own with no assistance from QF other than the leased A330s and it opened up 5-6 international ports within weeks of each other. VA can't even organise a TT operation to DPS without it being a total debacle. The mind boggles and the head shakes...

AerialPerspective 4th Feb 2017 04:35


Originally Posted by Biatch (Post 9636813)
Why don't Q go through this sorta crap? Why is it so hard to operate there?

It's not hard to operate there. I spent quite a while in DPS and CGK at various times. QF don't go through this because they know what the hell they're doing. They don't have amateurs running around barely a day out of University or even High School clutching at straws to try and work out how to do these things. QF on the other hand have people with years of experience and a lot of organisational memory and expertise at how to do this. If this doesn't see the end of the current senior management in VA goodness knows what will... 6 years now with no profit approximately, share price down to mere cents. What exactly is the purpose of this organisation??? It certainly doesn't appear to be anything to do with providing a return on investors funds or meeting the needs of the market.

Bug Smasher Smasher 4th Feb 2017 05:42


Originally Posted by AerialPerspective (Post 9664170)
JQ did this in 2006 in about 5 months on it's own with no assistance from QF other than the leased A330s...

Bwaahahahahaha! You guys are hilarious today. Are you professional comedians or just on really good gear?

Oakape 4th Feb 2017 07:46


They don't have amateurs running around barely a day out of University or even High School clutching at straws to try and work out how to do these things. QF on the other hand have people with years of experience and a lot of organisational memory and expertise at how to do this.
Exactly! People these days don't value experience, including the new brand of management. It is just seen as an extra cost to keep higher paid, experienced people on the payroll. It is also seen as an embarrassment to have the experienced nobodies telling the inexperienced somebodies that their great idea is actually crap.

Ken Borough 4th Feb 2017 09:02


JQ did this in 2006 in about 5 months on it's own with no assistance from QF other than the leased A330s and it opened up 5-6 international ports within weeks of each other.
]JQ aren't the only carrier to succeed in short tine and get things right. So too did Australian Airlines (AO) in 2002 who had a small team of seconded people from Qantas who I believe knew what they were doing. From memory, AO served three points in Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Bali and Singapore from the get-go without any (reported) hassles.

As an aside. it's easy to see/understand why a certain wonder-kid didn't get the top gig at Qantas!

Icarus2001 5th Feb 2017 02:41

Virgin Australia reports profit decline | Australian Aviation

B772 5th Feb 2017 03:09

I have been told there is an announcement of some description to be made on Friday 17 Feb. I hope it is not one of those 5pm announcements. Put it in your diary.

The Bullwinkle 5th Feb 2017 03:54


I have been told there is an announcement of some description to be made on Friday 17 Feb. I hope it is not one of those 5pm announcements. Put it in your diary.
Let's hope it's the long awaited "changing of the guard".
JT to replace JB? He couldn't be any worse!

virginexcess 5th Feb 2017 07:56

To be objective, I doubt the share price is any measure at all of Virgin's actual value. There are so few shares held by the public that everytime Mrs Smith down the road sells the 500 shares her husband left her in his estate, because she just got f%*@ed over by Tiger, the shareprice probably drops 10% as they scramble to find "the greater fool" to buy them.

porch monkey 5th Feb 2017 13:41

17 Feb is when the company does it's formal half yearly results. So yeah, there'll be announcements.:rolleyes:

Mach2point7 9th Feb 2017 23:32

There is an excellent article in the aviation section of today's "The Australian" about Tiger and VA's mismanagement of the DPS debacle. "A Tigerair spokeswoman declined to say why the airline would not grant an interview with The Australian to discuss its handling of the crisis."

wheels_down 10th Feb 2017 01:54

People need to sacked over the handling of this, starting with Rob Sharp, Borghetti shouldn't be far behind. Who cares if it was Tiger's fault or not, the passengers don't, just get them there!

Virgin should have reacted almost instantly operating the same flights on their own metal until Tiger could get itself sorted.

Why the hell didn't that happen? In these sort of situations this is what all well run airlines do, readjust the network temporarily to get aircraft available to cover your arse.

What's worse is they operated rescue flights from Bali to Brisbane, then pushed pax onto connecting flights around the country. Tiger doesn't even fly direct Bali to Brisbane, couldn't even get them back home direct.


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