It’s political correctness because we’re being told that men aren’t allowed to outnumber females in any profession. I believe on the qf website the board members pride themselves on having females, who gives a rodents rectum?

I have a good female friend flying overseas who loves it, as she’s treated no different to the men.
This whole industry bends over backwards for females in Australia, not just in airlines but also GA as I’m sure we’ve all seen.

Yes, My experience too. But they were hired on the basis of experience and ability, not mandate.

10 or 15 years ago one particular Melbourne school encouraged their girls to pursue science subjects by offering (effectively) a Private Pilot's licence course.

Two of my nieces chose the course; one loved it but saw her future elsewhere, the other loved it and joined the Air Force. Unfortunately she didn't ultimate become a Pilot (incredibly disappointing to her at the time) but now has a rewarding and challenging career associated with the Defence Department.

Yes, by all means encourage and assist any girl to seek a flying career wherever possible. However at any and every progressive step along the way, those girls should not receive any benefit that is not available to any person with the same ambition; gender selective, financially selective, race selective……you could go on and on.

To use a sporting analogy. It's a little like AFL clubs seeking the best talent. The AFL provides a variety of pathways for young players to develop and supports them in numerous ways specific to their circumstances. However, the moment they are ready to play at a senior level it's their ability and their likelihood to succeed that determines if they'll make it, not who they are or where they come from. Pilot recruitment should be no different.

Seems like it has spread to QF mainline.


Time to 'up the ante' to get more female pilots says Qantas boss Alan Joyce

20% guaranteed females

What’s going to happen if they can’t even get that high? They’ll just reduce the intake until it’s small enough that 20% are female.

How long until we see female only cadetships?

Time to see who the first transgender Qantas pilot will be. If you’re an unemployed CPL struggling under a mountain of debt you could get a guaranteed job.

Defence leads the way!
https://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/air...-workplace-bfw

I’m more concerned with how strongly this will be enforced? Say there’s 10 positions for cadets, say the 50 strongest applicants are all male, are number 9 and 10 going to be dropped for female applicants ranked 51 and 52?

Can applicant 9 and 10 then take QF to court for not getting the position based on gender, as DL did with Ansett?

I think in an industry where a mistake can cost lives, hiring to meet gender targets (of all things) above ability is very dangerous.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/airbus-exploring-singlepilot-autonomous-aircraft-in-tech-race-20171122-gzqe22.html

AJ forgot to mention the other 50% will be robo fo's

Virgin posts group photos of their cadets. Taken as a guide they’ll probably stick to the quota. What talent acquisition specialist wants a call from the CEOs office asking why they hired person XY over person XX and broke the quota.

If you push a quota at every selection level you can end up with quota approved in final round and avoid any litigation. Makes it less obvious.

Quotas are just PC gone over the top, IMHO. It should always be the best person on the day gets the job, regardless of whether they are male, female or other. There are many reasons for a gender imbalance in particular careers. Perhaps there are still less women in aviation in this day & age is due to the fact that the job is not as appealing to women as it is to men. If that is the case, you won't be able to force the issue, no matter how much you try, unless perhaps you make it much more attractive as a career for women. And that could be a minefield of higher costs & a can of worms management may not want to open. Who knows?

You're a bit late to the party there patty.

For the record, most women I speak to (already within the airline) are very against this practice. It undermines all their hard work and makes it look like the job was given to them purely to meet the quota.

Same same for the majority of excellent female pilots in the RAAF - well, the ones that got through before the current scheme...

A recent UK Channel 4 interview discussing the gender pay gap, "equality of outcome" & why men and woman are actually different between Jordan B Peterson & Cathy Newman.

This particular video has gone viral and spawned a very large online controversy. The thirty minute interview has been could be described as a a "how-not-to journalism 101", or your basic trainwreck due to the combative style of the interviewer attempting to twist his words to make him appear to say something that he didn't.



Couple of follow-up articles:

Many Intellectuals Can't Stand Jordan Peterson. Why?

Why Can't People Hear What Jordan Peterson Is Saying? A British broadcaster doggedly tried to put words into the academic’s mouth.

Why Mixing Politics And Clicks Is Playing With Fire

wow, thats a cool interview. (Jordan Peterson one)
Should be used in HR training and human factors courses! lol

It doesn't help a rational argument to refer to the "pro" side as feminazis.

They're simply the proponents in the affirmative action debate.

When you label them as anything else, you weaken your own arguments, and give them a cause.

A dumb argument doesn't need specialist branding.

That labelling only shows the proponents how much harder they have to fight.

How about jobs for the best applicant, regardless of their situation ?
I want to fly on an airline that hires the best people because they are the best, not because they best fit some kin of unrealistic social ideal.

Stay well away from any Qantas group airlines then.

I honestly can not believe how some of the male candidates I know missed out at QF over the last year or so when hearing about some of the females who got in.

I know who I’d rather have up the front when something goes bang.

I have not heard of a 50 percent gender split push to:
- drive the honey cart
- refuel
-clean up spew
-chuck bags
-paint strip an aircraft
-unblock a toilet

Must have missed it.

It's called gender equality, apparently. Male applicants are obviously just too entitled.

Gender equality is something HR hacks have a very poor understanding of.


There is a big difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome, the latter being outright discrimination.

Jetstar is going to pilots for type ratings and trips to BKK to be changed into females.

Who wants to play the game and put in an application and make a point that you identify as female.
Its probably career suicide, but can you imagine the dilemma HR would be faced with.
Don't change anything else about yourself, don't physically present as a female, don't change your name, just say you identify as female. They can't question or doubt your integrity on it, that would be discrimination.

I wonder if CASA has anything to add to this debate ?

Adults with Gender Dysphoria are at increased risk for stress, isolation, anxiety, depression, poor self-esteem and suicide. Studies indicate that transgender people have an extremely high rate of suicide attempts; one study of 6,450 transgender people in the United States found 41% had attempted suicide, compared to a national average of 1.6%. It was also found that suicide attempts were less common among transgender people who said their family ties had remained strong after they came out, but even transgender people at comparatively low risk were still much more likely to have attempted suicide than the general population.Transgender people are also at heightened risk for certain mental disorders such as eating disorders.