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umop apisdn 14th Aug 2018 14:35

Another hint:

Do your CPL and PPL hour building at night. You need 75 of those bad boys to come over here and every one of them counts, especially if you end up in a day VFR only charter / scenic gig.

Seagull201 14th Aug 2018 15:10

The First Officer pay, has been personally explained to me AND it's better than what i expected.
Its not 36 bucks an hour until 76 hours, there's other factors involved and other calculations.
The figures look quite healthy.

Captains pay is as explained by havick previously, at 130k there abouts.

Thanks to ALL for their advice, no matter how critical.

Cheers to ALL.

DUXNUTZ 15th Aug 2018 20:11


Originally Posted by LostWanderer (Post 10222963)
Wow thats cool Havick, I am very impressed if they can pull it off! That is great for the guys and gals there. And truly, I hope it happens for everyones benefit (including my own for selfish reasons!)
But call me a bitter, old, overly suspicious fool...I will believe it when I see it. Temporary visas are an entirely different ballpark and I just can't see how ALPA could be involved in any decision to sponsor/not sponsor a pilot. At my company and most others it is an HR decision and at their entirely at their discretion who they sponsor and for how long they sponsor for...100% removed from ALPA. I honestly don't think ALPA even could (would) come in to bat for someone who the company decided to no longer sponsor on a Visa if they deemed they no longer needed them in that position - E3 legal language is VERY fluid so you don't really have a leg to stand on from a union if the airline decides they no longer wish to sponsor your Visa renewals.

More so, fastest way to peeve off a very large group of heavily unionised US citizen/perm resident pilots...start giving temporary Visa guys their coveted mainline jobs, the union is smart and wont bite the hand that feeds them, especially not for perhaps less than 100 people. I truly love the idea and ALPA's statement of support for the lads...but I think pigs will be flying on Mars before an E3 pilot is sitting in the right seat of a mainline A320/737 etc...via any kind of flow arrangement anyway. Maybe if and when the shortage gets significantly worse.

*Don't shoot the messenger. Just my opinion :) *


Agreed. Already a bit of mumbling going on with the E3 situation amongst guys at the majors on foreigners taking jobs.

flying-spike 17th Aug 2018 13:39

Interested reading although some of it appears a bit out of date:https://www.aerocrewnews.com/acn/201...N-Aug-2018.pdf

Ramjet555 17th Aug 2018 19:30


Originally Posted by Kranz (Post 10223018)
Didn't realise it was a crime to pose a question. In any case, the gist of my enquiries has been to ascertain more specific information around what each airline is looking for so that I can ensure I spend my training money in the way that best suits the airlines to improve my candidacy for any roles. Whilst you are correct in where I am with my training, I am working towards my CPL and would like to have this within three months (I am dedicating 3 days per week full time to prac & theory and am flying an average of 4 hours a day on each of those three days). I am also enquiring about the airline cadetship routes which include working as a CFI to boost hours to 1500 rather than DEFO. I therefore don't see my requests as being pre-emptive or wasting people's time. But thank you for your comment.

I also received a response from Compass overnight saying they do not sponsor E3's.

Its frustrating that many US companies are unable to think outside their small minded approach.
First, its not "sponsoring", its simply applying for an LCA on a 9035 form, its that phrase
that will get your resume tossed into the garbage fast.

I've seen a number throw in the towel as too difficult without having a clue
what they are talking about.

I've seen everyone in the jail want to go ahead, then one ignorant person with a key role, simply
sends off a form reject letter because they don't like foreigners, when they are a foreigner themselves.
The logic in the USA is that you have very large numbers of people who do not know anything over what is required
as part of their job.

The word is, you can be successful at this process, and if the people doing the hiring
actually have seen the process work previously, then your chances rocket.

bafanguy 1st Oct 2018 21:23

So, I assume by the lack of activity on this thread nothing is new on the Aussie-US regional front ? Nothing newsworthy ?

umop apisdn 1st Oct 2018 21:36

SkyWest is heading for a significant first year FO pay rise which I expect will probably bring even more Aussies out of the woodwork. So far it looks like it will match the highest paying regionals if it goes through later this month.

Aussies are still streaming over. Most captains remark that there are "so many of you here."

They also usually complement our collective flying skills, professionalism and our both practical and impractical knowledge base.

bafanguy 1st Oct 2018 22:20


Originally Posted by umop apisdn (Post 10263551)
Aussies are still streaming over. Most captains remark that there are "so many of you here."

They also usually complement our collective flying skills, professionalism and our both practical and impractical knowledge base.

Well done ! :D

havick 1st Oct 2018 23:52


Originally Posted by umop apisdn (Post 10263551)
SkyWest is heading for a significant first year FO pay rise which I expect will probably bring even more Aussies out of the woodwork. So far it looks like it will match the highest paying regionals if it goes through later this month.

Aussies are still streaming over. Most captains remark that there are "so many of you here."

They also usually complement our collective flying skills, professionalism and our both practical and impractical knowledge base.

a lot have also upgraded or near upgrading.

zondaracer 2nd Oct 2018 02:21

If voted in, the new pay scales start 1 November. First year pay will be $45 per hour, second year FO $50.

You can see the proposed pay scales here:
https://uploadfiles.io/hk4xw
Keep in mind, the bonus structure will be preserved (Pilot profit sharing, performance bonuses, and financial performance bonuses).

bafanguy 2nd Oct 2018 08:31


Originally Posted by umop apisdn (Post 10263551)
SkyWest is heading for a significant first year FO pay rise which I expect will probably bring even more Aussies out of the woodwork.

Aussies are still streaming over.

Found this. Isn't dated so don't know how recent it is. The Skywest website doesn't contain these exact words:

"Be E3 visa eligible"


AviationJobs.Me Flight Crew: CRJ200 Non Type Rated First Officers Skywest Airlines US

VH DSJ 2nd Oct 2018 09:37


Originally Posted by zondaracer (Post 10263662)
If voted in, the new pay scales start 1 November. First year pay will be $45 per hour, second year FO $50.

You can see the proposed pay scales here:
https://uploadfiles.io/hk4xw
Keep in mind, the bonus structure will be preserved (Pilot profit sharing, performance bonuses, and financial performance bonuses).

And a $40,000 USD sign on bonus on top of that. They may still be offering an extra $7,500 USD bonus for previous turbine airline/charter experience. So that’s almost $62K AUD in bonuses just for choosing SkyWest. Not to forget you get a free jet type rating with no bond and no minimum terms of service, excellent training which qualify you for Cat 2 ILS and RNP 0.3 approaches. Don’t know why people would bother applying for turbo-prop operators back in Aus when they can get all this for the cost of an E3 visa ($200).

umop apisdn 2nd Oct 2018 11:20

No RNP on the CRJ. Maybe ERJ I'm not sure though.

FOs can credit as much as they want if you want to work like a dawg. Comfortable would be 85 but you can go over 100 pretty easy by picking up open time.

zondaracer 2nd Oct 2018 14:29

SkyWest E175s are RNP approved.

The new contract, if voted in, will give the company the ability to offer up to $40,000 in bonuses, if the company needs it to recruit more pilots. Don’t expect the 40k bonus to be offered from day 1. $40,000 will be the cap.

Having said that, a friend of mine is an Australian at SkyWest, and he said he made more money as a flight instructor in Australia, but the cost of living is so much lower here that he’s able to save money for the first time in his life.

bafanguy 4th Oct 2018 10:42

Commutair has big growth plans. Any Aussies have recent contact with them to see if this is still correct info ?:

E-3 Visa - Home Page

DropYourSocks 4th Oct 2018 15:01

Hi Bafanguy,

The site is still correct and C5 is flat out getting new drivers. Another 10 jets mininum to be delivered yet, and likely a further 20 if all goes well, which will take the fleet to 61 total by 2020ish. (I think they're taking a new one every 3-5 weeks)

The word is C5 expects to hire another 400 pilots over the next 2 years, which isn't bad when the current total sits around 320 pilots.

If any Aussies want more info on C5 feel free to message me.

Drop Your Socks

bafanguy 4th Oct 2018 15:59


Originally Posted by DropYourSocks (Post 10265889)
The site is still correct and C5 is flat out getting new drivers. The word is C5 expects to hire another 400 pilots over the next 2 years, which isn't bad when the current total sits around 320 pilots.

DYS,

That's serious growth. Doubling the pilot group in 2 years.

I assume that they also take you right off the boat with Aussie tickets and go from there ? And upgrades are coming at 1000 hours Part 121 ?

DropYourSocks 4th Oct 2018 16:09

Yeah they pay for you to do the ATP CTP before you start, and do the faa licensing in house. The US guys that are being hired that have 1500 total with 1000 Pic in part 135 ops or 1000 Sic in part 121 are getting upgrade calls before they've even finished their type rating and check ride. For us Aussies you can/will do that in 12 months.

havick 4th Oct 2018 16:16


Originally Posted by bafanguy (Post 10265938)
DYS,

That's serious growth. Doubling the pilot group in 2 years.

I assume that they also take you right off the boat with Aussie tickets and go from there ? And upgrades are coming at 1000 hours Part 121 ?

different company, but when I was hired at Envoy late 2016 they hired nearly 1000 pilots after me in a 12 month period. I only did 3 weeks on reserve as an FO and then again only 3 weeks on reserve as a CA when i upgraded.

bafanguy 4th Oct 2018 20:07

Good to know the opportunity is still available for those willing to make the effort. The grapevine has been pretty quiet for a while. Maybe Summer doldrums.

havick 4th Oct 2018 21:19


Originally Posted by bafanguy (Post 10266083)
Good to know the opportunity is still available for those willing to make the effort. The grapevine has been pretty quiet for a while. Maybe Summer doldrums.

to be honest in this particular case no news is good news. At least on the E3/regional front.

Power 4th Oct 2018 22:04

E3 hiring is still full steam ahead

vee1-rotate 4th Oct 2018 23:28

Would not hesitate getting over here on an E3 if you're the slight bit interested, the industry is going bananas. I'm in corporate and they are losing pilots to the airlines like crazy. Major carriers are picking up all the experience corporate and regional guys they can get, leaving regional and corporate bare bones.

Get over while you can !

stormfury 5th Oct 2018 01:24


Originally Posted by vee1-rotate (Post 10266212)
Major carriers are picking up all the experience corporate and regional guys they can get, leaving regional and corporate bare bones.

Maybe, depends where you are. Plenty of jobs out there paying more than US regionals for similar experience. It boils down to want you want, airlines aren’t necessarily the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

bafanguy 5th Oct 2018 09:42


Originally Posted by havick (Post 10266141)
to be honest in this particular case no news is good news. At least on the E3/regional front.

True enough. So I guess there are no regionals now accepting E3s who previously had not ?

That would be newsworthy...

DropYourSocks 5th Oct 2018 20:19

As an aside for those who would like to make a more permanent move, the green card lottery is now open. As far as I am aware, simply entering into the lottery (and even chosen as a winner) does not signify immigrant intent, however applying for that visa after winning does.

Food for thought.

bafanguy 6th Oct 2018 12:01


Originally Posted by DropYourSocks (Post 10266890)
As an aside for those who would like to make a more permanent move, the green card lottery is now open.

Can't win if ya don't enter. Lots of Aussies have taken a run at it :ok::

https://www.usagreencardlottery.org/...statistics.jsp

umop apisdn 8th Oct 2018 14:01


Originally Posted by bafanguy (Post 10267307)
Can't win if ya don't enter. Lots of Aussies have taken a run at it :ok::

https://www.usagreencardlottery.org/...statistics.jsp

Don't use that website to enter. Use www.dvlottery.state.gov

Lots of scams out there with regards to this.

bafanguy 8th Oct 2018 14:44


Originally Posted by umop apisdn (Post 10268800)
Don't use that website to enter. Use www.dvlottery.state.gov

Ah so...didn't even notice that wasn't a gov website. Scams abound for sure.

I just saw the stats and thought they were interesting.

Ramjet555 13th Oct 2018 03:42

First, I'm not (yet) on an E3. You should get a reply from those airlines, Compass, Envoy, Mesa, SkyWest
They all have Australian's working on E3 Visas and for them its about 30 seconds work, prepared forms, all they do is
insert your name and shortly after an "LCA" arrives, the print a boilerplate Job offer, very similar to that for US pilots
and then you take it to the embassy and it will have a very high probability of success.

Now, smaller US operators, who do not look like big airlines do not know anything about an E3 visa.
In particular Most Universities, Colleges, flight schools have not got a clue about E3 and, its a very tough
sell unless you can hand them the paperwork for them to sign.

According to the youtube presenter from the US embassy in Canberra you do NOT need a degree
just 12 years experience if you do not have a degree.

If you have a US ATP then you should be good to go.

The problem arises when you have a degree but want to take a specialist occupation say
like crop spraying, because it does not normally require a degree then you cannot accept that job
and an E3 would not be issued because the job does not qualify.

Every time I explain that I hear WTF.????
Those are the US rules, and it works out very well for Australians who want to fly in the USA
The difference is, Australia will allow American Spray Pilots to work in Australia
as does Canada where Australian pilots do not even need to get a Canadian medical
its, just a foreign licence validation.... Australia does the same.

The USA has its rules that give it an unfair trade and employment advantage
but that's the way it is and its probably going to get worse.

But don't tell Donald Trump, he will suddenly realize that the United States is bleeding pilots and especially Instructors.

There is hardly a flight school in the USA that is not desperate for instructors.


Originally Posted by Kranz (Post 10222168)
To get back on topic - I contacted a few of the airlines who are offering E3 sponsorship from the list previously posted in this thread. Most completely ignored my correspondence. Piedmont was the only one that wrote back to say they were interested, and PSA responded to say they specifically do not sponsor applicants requiring an E3 Visa. The rest (e.g. Compass, Envoy, Mesa, SkyWest, ect) were all silent.

Can anyone provide an update as at August 2018? TIA.


Bellthorpe 13th Oct 2018 05:53


Originally Posted by flying_a_nix_box (Post 9103583)
There is a special E3 visa as part of one of the free trade agreements between the US and Australia. To get it you basically just need an offer of a job in the US so no massive green card issues etc.......

Others have commented on the education and experience requirements, so I will just add that the E-3 visa is not part of a trade agreement. It had its roots in the negotiations for the AUSFTA, but is not contained in the Agreement, or referred to in any way.

Bellthorpe 13th Oct 2018 10:21


Originally Posted by pilotchute (Post 10179880)
Anything is possible with a good legal team. Melania trump got a H1B visa.

An H-1B visa is quite appropriate for modelling work.

She also got a green card, which is quite a different matter. That one certainly had the fix in, as she managed to get a so-called "Einstein visa" (EB-1), a category for which she clearly did not qualify.


I think the outcome of your E3 application is only as good as your immigration lawyer.
The E-3 visa application depends more on the interview than anything else. Your lawyer cannot take the interview for you or with you.

havick 13th Oct 2018 12:19


Originally Posted by Ramjet555 (Post 10272542)
First, I'm not (yet) on an E3. You should get a reply from those airlines, Compass, Envoy, Mesa, SkyWest
They all have Australian's working on E3 Visas and for them its about 30 seconds work, prepared forms, all they do is
insert your name and shortly after an "LCA" arrives, the print a boilerplate Job offer, very similar to that for US pilots
and then you take it to the embassy and it will have a very high probability of success.

Now, smaller US operators, who do not look like big airlines do not know anything about an E3 visa.
In particular Most Universities, Colleges, flight schools have not got a clue about E3 and, its a very tough
sell unless you can hand them the paperwork for them to sign.

According to the youtube presenter from the US embassy in Canberra you do NOT need a degree
just 12 years experience if you do not have a degree.

If you have a US ATP then you should be good to go.

The problem arises when you have a degree but want to take a specialist occupation say
like crop spraying, because it does not normally require a degree then you cannot accept that job
and an E3 would not be issued because the job does not qualify.

Every time I explain that I hear WTF.????
Those are the US rules, and it works out very well for Australians who want to fly in the USA
The difference is, Australia will allow American Spray Pilots to work in Australia
as does Canada where Australian pilots do not even need to get a Canadian medical
its, just a foreign licence validation.... Australia does the same.

The USA has its rules that give it an unfair trade and employment advantage
but that's the way it is and its probably going to get worse.

But don't tell Donald Trump, he will suddenly realize that the United States is bleeding pilots and especially Instructors.

There is hardly a flight school in the USA that is not desperate for instructors.

just to clarify, Envoy has not employed E3’s ever, only green card holders or citizens. Compass no longer is bothering with E3’s going forward.

Piedmont and Commutair do though, which aren’t in your list.

cLeArIcE 14th Oct 2018 11:33

I didn't have a degree but, when I got my E3 I had been around the industry for a while on top of all the usual studies for licenses ratings etc.
As bellthorpe said ,the interview is everything. Its not hard, treat it like you would an actual job interview.
Suit up, be organised, take paperwork for everything (and I mean everything) and act how you would expect a pilot to act. (confident and comfortable in your own shoes )
Although we Australians dont like to big note ourselves Americans are different.
You will also be judged by how you look and what you wear much more than what you are in Australia. Inside that consulate you are in the USA :ok: enjoy your time in the the USA you will have a blast

flying-spike 15th Oct 2018 06:32

Anybody know the current turnaround time for an FAA licence and medical validation?

flying-spike 15th Oct 2018 10:11


Originally Posted by GAforlife (Post 10283441)
Mine took about two weeks from the time CASA sent the information to the FAA, to receiving the confirmation email from the FAA.

Thanks for that. I’ve got just under 3 weeks to get it done. Sent the applications off today🤞

flying-spike 26th Oct 2018 07:33

Slowly getting through this process. Does anybody have recent experience with the time taken for TSA to get back to you after they have been paid?

umop apisdn 26th Oct 2018 09:08


Originally Posted by flying-spike (Post 10292856)
Slowly getting through this process. Does anybody have recent experience with the time taken for TSA to get back to you after they have been paid?

​​​​​ Regarding the fingerprints? Mine took about 3 days.

flying-spike 26th Oct 2018 09:44


Originally Posted by umop apisdn (Post 10292913)
​​​​​ Regarding the fingerprints? Mine took about 3 days.

Was that from paying the $130 to being told to go ahead and get the prints?

umop apisdn 26th Oct 2018 10:12


Originally Posted by flying-spike (Post 10292933)

Was that from paying the $130 to being told to go ahead and get the prints?

I just checked my emails . From payment to being told to get the prints was 4 days .


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