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B717 Fleet to increase to 20.
Originally Posted by Qantas Media Release
SMARTER FLYING SEES QANTAS BACK TO SUNSHINE COAST
SYDNEY PUBLISHED ON 22ND JULY 2015 Qantas today announced the return of the Flying Kangaroo between the Sunshine Coast (Maroochydore) and Sydney* as well as the launch of services between Melbourne and the Gold Coast* to give customers more premium travel options. Qantas Domestic chief executive officer Andrew David said the network changes were part of the Qantas Group’s twice yearly schedule update. “These new services help us meet the growing demand for premium leisure services between Sydney and Maroochydore and Melbourne and the Gold Coast,” Mr David said. “We will introduce a new daily Boeing 737 service between Melbourne and the Gold Coast starting on 25 October. “We’ll also start six services per week between Sydney and Maroochydore from 21 December with flying that will cater for leisure travellers over the summer holiday period, before a new schedule with more business-friendly times begins in February. “The QantasLink flights between Sydney and Maroochydore will be operated by a two class Boeing 717, which offers Q-Streaming inflight entertainment in every seat via a passenger’s personal electronic device and complimentary iPads for all passengers.” Mr David said operating both Qantas and Jetstar to popular Queensland tourism destinations showed the Group’s successful dual brand strategy in action. “Offering both airlines on these routes means we can appeal to leisure travellers with Jetstar while Qantas caters for more premium leisure and business customers. Ultimately, it’s about giving people more choice,” he said. Last month, Qantas began operating flights between Melbourne and Hamilton Island, which allowed Jetstar to come off the route and add services between Melbourne and the Whitsunday Coast Airport (Proserpine). An additional daily frequency between Sydney and the Gold Coast and more flying from Hobart will start in February next year. The extra flying has been made possible by the introduction of an additional two leased Boeing 717 aircraft from early 2016 taking the total B717 fleet to 20. It is also offset by a reduction in intra-WA flying in response to a slowdown in the mining sector, and a shift to smaller aircraft on other routes in line with passenger demand. Fleet flexibility for increased flying has been provided by reducing the turnaround times of the B737 domestic fleet. “The new schedule includes a number of 35 minute turns for our fleet of B737s, which builds on the success of a program we started last year to reduce the amount of time our aircraft spend on the ground. It gives us more flexibility to take advantage of opportunities when we see them,” Mr David said. Special fares for the launch of the Sydney – Sunshine Coast (Maroochydore) route will be on sale from 1300 AEST Wednesday 22 July until 23.59 Tuesday 28 July, unless sold out prior, and start at $89 one way in economy. Sale fares for Melbourne – Gold Coast will be on sale from 1300 AEST Wednesday 22 July until 23:59 Tuesday 28 July, unless sold out prior, and start at $99 one way in economy. Price based on payment at qantas.com by BPAY. Selected travel dates, and conditions apply. Flights between Sydney and Sunshine Coast (Maroochydore) are subject to government and regulatory approval. *subject to government/regulatory approval New Routes QF 1578 Sydney – Maroochydore Daily 21 December 2015 – 30 January 2016 Flight timings vary by day B717^ QF 1579 Maroochydore – Sydney Daily B717^ QF 880 Melbourne – Gold Coast Daily Starts 25 October 2015Flight timings vary by day of week B737B737 QF 881 Gold Coast – Melbourne Daily QF 1579 Maroochydore – Sydney Daily From 9 February 2016Departs: 0640 Arrives 0915 B717^ QF 1578 Sydney – Maroochydore Daily From 8 February 2016Departs: 1740 Arrives 1815 B717^ Additional Frequencies Frequency Starts Brisbane – Newcastle +4pw 25 October 2015 Sydney – Gold Coast +7pw First quarter of 2016 ^The B717 fleet is currently operated by National Jet Systems Pty Ltd |
The B717 fleet is currently operated by National Jet Systems Pty Ltd |
Interesting indeed, Qantas takeover maybe and Cobham crew get the flick or the takeover still takes place and the crew from Cobham still keep their jobs. Hopefully the latter.
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If Qantas were to take over Cobham, would it really make any sense to get rid of perfectly qualified B717 drivers to then spend millions on training up more B717 drivers?
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Qantas takeover maybe and Cobham crew get the flick or the takeover still takes place and the crew from Cobham still keep their jobs. Contract flighties, contract engineers - contract drivers are next. |
Or , it might mean that the B717's are currently operated by National Jet Systems Pty Ltd.
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I think that's all it means.
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Mr David said operating both Qantas and Jetstar to popular Queensland tourism destinations showed the Group’s successful dual brand strategy in action. “Offering both airlines on these routes means we can appeal to leisure travellers with Jetstar while Qantas caters for more premium leisure and business customers. Ultimately, it’s about giving people more choice,” he said. So not about giving the QF group more profit then... This has very suspicious similarities to the loco European models of Ryanair (where all 737 turns are 25 minutes)and Easyjet. |
"The extra flying has been made possible by the introduction of an additional two leased Boeing 717 aircraft from early 2016 ....."
So, the mere anticipation of extra aircraft makes it all possible now.....what an amazing business! 717s are obviously the way to go then. They make dreams come true now |
It seems like Cobham were the trials team, prove that the operation works then dump them and say what a great job Qantas are doing.
I am pleased I am out of this poisoned atmosphere that is all things Qantas. |
I heard around the traps that 20 was the magic number for Qantas to take the B717 inhouse...
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I wonder where the 2 x new birds are coming from.....I thought all the 717s were spoken for?
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A charter company by the name of Blue 1 who are part of SAS overseas got rid of their 5 717'S and Delta took 3 of them, naturally they want the entire global fleet lol. The other two were being bid for by Qantas and Hawaiian.
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Did QF ever find the 2 F100's they were looking for (going to Network Aviation)? I haven't heard anymore about that, and am curious if this might be connected?
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The F100s are confirmed and coming in ex-Avianca. It seems the 717s coming in will be additional and in the 2-class config.
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B717 Fleet to increase to 20.
And the silence fromCobham management is deafening!!!
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Deafening As usual :yuk: |
I wouldn't stress too much.
Someone is going to have to fly the jets and 20 frames don't just crew themselves. So whether it's cobham, network or even Qantas, there will be jobs. |
The Blue 1 frames are relatively earlyish build B717's compared to the -YQx frames and the -NXx's.
Still good to see more frames added to the fleet, it's a step in the right direction. What did ever happen to all those full-size iPads in the B767 fleet?? |
Cobham, aka National Jet Systems P/L, has been the long-time operator of the B717 fleet in Australia on contract from QANTAS. It gives QF considerable flexibility in that the B717 can be used on routes too thin to support a B737 and if it all goes tits up they can pull out of those routes without the pain of having to decide what to do with the excess. I suspect also that the B717 drivers are on a thinner pay packet than the QF drivers which also assists the bottom line of both companies.
Hey Clarrie. Having moved south from those tropical routes you once stalked are you now looking to return there? |
Hey Clarrie. Having moved south from those tropical routes you once stalked are you now looking to return there? |
Maybe Cobham isn't getting the two new Jets? :hmm:
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No plans to leave Clarrie. Sounds positive for the Tazzie 717 base then, all the best to you and the Hobart guys!
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B717 Fleet to increase to 20.
Too young???
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Qantas has not yet made a decision on who will operate the 2 aircraft coming into service in February.
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"If Qantas take over Cobham"......haha, never laughed so hard. Thanks for making my week. has anyone thought that maybe Cobham don't want the B717s.? I'd say it will all go to Qlink. Let us not delude our selves here, Eastern and Sunstate (Qlink) are not and will never be Qantas.
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Qantas has not yet made a decision on who will operate the 2 aircraft coming into service in February. Last time I checked Network, Eastern, Sunstate, Jetstar, Qantas, Jetconnect, Jetstar Hong Kong, Jetstar Bangladesh DON'T have 717 on their AOC so why would that change in the near future? Enjoy the extra 2 frames guys! |
If these things are going to arrive in Feb next year, then it is a reasonable bet that they are going to cobham, at least in the first instance.
Getting the aoc, whichever one it is, amended to support the 717 is not a quick thing, particularly if you need to build a check and training system from scratch. Regardless if eastern/QantasLink has an ex Jetstar guy as HOFO, he is only one man and he doesn't wholly embody the experience required in order to successfully establish a check and training system for a new type, let alone transitioning a turboprop operation into a jet one. He may well be the seed from which this experience grows, but he cannot possibly do it all himself, there just isn't that many hours in the day. Alternatively they might go to mainline, but again they would need to divert resources from the 737 fleet in order to do so. If that project isn't already under way then it is probably too late. The rumour mill is too good to have allowed that to get underway without someone letting something slip I would have thought. None of this doesn't mean that cobham will keep the operation forever, just that I suspect it is unlikely that in the short term another operator will pick up a couple of stray airframes |
Any suggestion that these new frames are going anywhere other than Cobham stinks of management spin!
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Which management Ted?
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"Which management Ted?"
Whichever one has the most to gain by keeping the staff nervous I spose. Based on that probably Both. |
Yes we do, FMC.
Obviously it will be Cobham's addition, eventually being absorbed in toto by Network. |
I thought QLink had just 'in-sourced' line and heavy maintenance for the B717?
Is there not a jet rate in the Sunstate pilots EBA significantly below the current Cobham rates? Whilst Qantas staff have gone through 18 month pay freezes, redundancies and transformation, what have Cobham done? What makes people so sure that QLink could not 'in-source' the whole lot? I am not suggesting anything other than to be fat, dumb and lazy on this one would be a very dangerous proposition. To assume makes an ass of u and me........... |
Suggest you take another peep at the jet rate Part121 and this time add in all the extra bits and pieces the Cobham guys don't get. I think you will find the numbers add up quickly, the Qlink contract also includes proper staff travel.
What have COBHAM done you ask? A bloody good job under some woefully unrealistic expectations from up top. Cobham have given quite enough thank you, especially the frontline staff. Where the next aircraft go is a fait accompli with the decision having been made many months ago (like all of QFs decisions :}). Management are now delighting in their favourite blood sport, that being, watching while people worry about their mortgages-Hunger Games anyone? All the best :ok: |
Heard on the grapevine the next two are going to network......
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Just reading between the lines after speaking to a few ppl in the know, it sounds like Cobham is still the preferred jet operator with the additional flying/aircraft ex-SYD and HBA.
Sorry GG, I don't think you'll see them in the west. |
Qlinks so called "In source" of line and heavy you say. Well here are the facts. Qlink have in sourced the heavy maintenance and relocate it to Canberra starting first check in October. ALL staff are being employed by Korr under the sham "independent contractor" contract whereby you get no annual leave, no sick leave, no benefits. You may be lucky and get a uniform. Superannuation is part of your hourly rate and you must pay your own. You have to have an ABN. Do a little research and you'll be well surprised how they can get around the fair work laws. The only job that has been advertised by Qlink was the managers job, all others are Korr. There are lots of good people losing their full time jobs in Adelaide as a result. Korr is no different to Sigma, and it really sums up a lot about the ALAEAs priority given that these 2 companies are not on top of their list. Maybe we should ask Bill.
As for line maintenance, Qlink have taken over Canberra only and are training people for Sydney and Melbourne. What's next, who knows. Cobham still have the Part 42 Camo for all B717's so Qlink is in theory working for Cobham whos operating QF leased aircraft. Cobham are often overlooked and passed off as some second rate company but as for what I've seen I'd rather a Cobham engineer over an Eastern or Sunstate one that's for sure. I can't wait to see the next 6 months play out, how exciting. |
ALL staff are being employed by Korr under the sham "independent contractor" contract whereby you get no annual leave, no sick leave, no benefits. You may be lucky and get a uniform. This is the EBA which covers Eastern's Sydney, Melbourne and Canberra bases. https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/doc...a/AE897608.pdf It quite clearly states that contractors can only be used for short term peak workloads or to replace permanent Employees absent for a specific period of time. And those contractors must be employed under the same terms and conditions of employment as equivalent permanent Employees Pretty simple and all in black and white - so I don't know how this has been allowed to happen. |
ALAEA will only act on your behalf. If there is representation in the work place and you require a submission to FWA disputing the use of contractors against the EA. Those who work for EAA need to instigate the dispute!
If the contractors have an inferior deal, they are undercutting the EA conditions which is bad news for the full time staff!!! |
So Korr, Sigma and EA engineers working in a Qantaslink hangar signing for and on behalf of EA on a 71 or a Dash all carrying out the same duties has no relationship???
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