And there by the grace of God go all of us!

TGG,You are so far off the mark with your supposition, you look silly to those who know what the outcome was.

Makes me wonder ...

Are you really 'breaking MSA' doing a daytime visual?

Manage that blood sugar.

You obviously don't know another scenario then where this happened :)

The pattern was hardly arduous, 24hrs in Singapore, then 31hrs in Perth!

Fitness for duty is up to the individual.

139 hours in the last 90 days for the PF, 131 hours for the PM. Half the workload or rostering practices of most of the competition. I think they'll be scratching to use the rosterung practices excuse!

Setting 1000 (400 agl) in the fcu and then using open descent? Is this not frowned upon at QF?

Yes. Yes it is.

...or maybe they didn't and why would they?

Probably including assigned leave, blanklines and low divisors; no excuse for what happened but hardly the responsibility of the crew when their flying has been 'outsourced'.

I really have a hard time trying to digest that. It has to be highlighted the" importance of high levels of situational awareness", and that comes from the Head of Flight Operations? and that after a review? What was the procedure prior to the review? a med to low level of situational awareness?

Food for thought

On a related matter - why do guys accept this visual SHEED arrival for 34 late at night after a long 4 sector day, and even more interesting why does CASA allow this.:confused:


An instrument approach might take another minute, but it's a lot safer proposition.


Go figure.

I wasn't in that flt deck and don't really know what transpired, but judging by the report I suspect not many 'Gates' were monitored, and more alarmingly I don't think anybody actually looked out the bloody window!
It's amazing what that picture can tell you should you take the time to look.

There is nothing overtly difficult about visual approaches into MEL, track shortening from Horus can get a little busy but if you're expecting it, as this crew appeared to, it ends up being done quite comfortably.

I'm staggered they got that out of shape.

As far as accepting a visual arrival from SHEED after 4 sectors, please tell me you're joking ��

34R - Read what I said: "late at night" after perhaps an 11 hour day. If you don't think fatigue might be an issue in this case, then I wouldn't want to be in the back of an aircraft you were in charge of. :ugh:

You can make a good start by getting rid of low cost bogan carriers like, well, I can think of one in Oz.... :rolleyes:

Because a request for a GNSS or VOR approach will oft be denied due sequencing. And a requirement for the same approach will occasionally require a phone call to a number provided on taxi after landing.

Ohh please, get your head out of your ass and grow up. The low cost model has been in Australia for 15 years now, providing a much needed boost to the industry.

Aircraft are the modern day bus service, you're not flying around aristocrats anymore.

Just because it's low cost, it doesn't mean it's low safety.

morno

Low cost, high cost.....

I think it's called affordable safety now. Or is it "worlds best practice"?

Basically whatever we can get away with until there is a death and/or Royal commission...

Morno,

I think the LCC mindset had been with Qantas since setting up Qantair in 1970, later in the 1970s offing fares from Sydney to London for just 79 pounds. Being a government subsidised airline they did not need to make a profit or pay for their own aircraft.