QF to Wellcamp(BWW)
 

EXCLUSIVE: Qantas swoops first at Wellcamp | Toowoomba Chronicle


Hope Wagners didn't give too many concessions to QF.


Would have thought Tiger would have been better suited, but maybe QF will us smaller jets like 717's ?

A lot of potential there for FIFO.

Qantas will use new Queensland airport

This report says Q400s will be used.

so 11 return flights a week from 17NOV. Guess that means 2 a day Mon-Fri (am & pm) one on weekend probably Sun pm.


Wonder where aircraft will be based ?


If at SYD & not BWW, then will have to be a very early departure from SYD (before 0600 ?)


Think passengers would have much preferred a jet like a 717 or E190 or even a BAe146.




Just found this schedule


to SYD


1 *QF2015 X67 WTB SYD 1 0520 0755 0 18NOV14 19DEC14 DH4 2:35


2 *QF2017 6 WTB SYD 1 0730 1005 0 22NOV14 28MAR15 DH4 2:35


3 *QF2017 X67 WTB SYD 1 0935 1210 0 17NOV14 24DEC14 DH4 2:35


& back



1 *QF2016 1 SYD 1 WTB 0755 0835 0 17NOV14 17NOV14 DH4 0:40


2 *QF2016 X67 SYD 1 WTB 0810 0850 0 18NOV14 24DEC14 DH4 0:40


3 *QF2018 X6 SYD 1 WTB 1755 1835 0 17NOV14 19DEC14 DH4 0:40


Wow only 40 mins SYD/WTB !!!!


Obviously they have not taken into account daylight saving time in SYD.

Is there a demand to warrant a 125 seater jet on the route?

Jet like speed BNE.

(Slow the other way due traffic delays @ SYD. 2 hours is the new norm, come summer.)









:E

Why bag this? Good for Toowoomba. Better on a Q400 than a Skytrans Dash 8...

probably not for a 125 seater, especially at Qantas prices.


The 717-200's operated for QF by Cobham have 115 seats we think. Not sure of exact seating on 717's that operate to CBR now.


Cobham also have 146-100 with 71 seats we believe.


Alliance & Network have F100's.


Alliance also has F70's.


Think quite a few of these aircraft are doing stuff all at present.


Obviously Cobham & Alliance costs are dramatically lower than QF.

Not when you factor in having to base aircraft and crew to do this. Cobham and Alliance won't wear these costs for free you know!

Remember too that QLink just stopped SYD-GLT so that aircraft will now do BWW. When SYD-GLT started, there were plenty out there saying that it must be a 717 as the market will dictate it. Guess what, the market still wanted to choose from the up to 9 flights a day via BNE.

This is by far the lowest cost way to try the market. Should the Q400 fill up, then maybe they'll look at it.

We think??

125 seats or 110 with Business class config.

The good oil says....

http://www.pprune.org/australia-new-...-aviation.html

QF is basing crew at BWW. What's the difference which airline it is?


Crew will move to base.

I wouldn't think they are basing crew there. They'll be SYD crews overnighting as with every other outstation, surely.

BNEA320...ahh no.

Nothing has been announced through official channels re. BWW base. One look at the schedule would show that there would most likely be an overnighting aircraft in Wellcamp (all bets are on SYD crew doing these flights). They can't even maintain an ADL (on again - off again) base let alone somewhere west of Toowoomba.

I would suggest that you holster that mouth of yours before you start shooting from it. := This is how foolish rumors start.

Not every port has an overnighting crew. All the inland QLD ports don't have overnights - just really early originating flights from Brisbane. :mad:

MOV was looked at for overnights at one stage, but the hoteliers wouldn't give QF a contract concession when they can charge the mining companies four times the price.

RMA was looked at then shelved because of no de-icing gear for those chilly mornings.

Fuel-Off :ok:

Toowoomba Aerodrome
 

Will the old Aerodrome continue?

Mate if mine just signed a lease with the Council for 30 years and then the council put the price per square metre up 375%. On that basis soon to he redeveloped as houses...much more money in that than aeroplanes.👍

Skytrans -300 to Toowoomba
Jetgo E140 to Roma
Qantas -400 to wellcamp

Interesting to see how this goes, must be a bit happening in the district

Proper airlines and a proper airport - great news!
 

Skytrans took no time at all in announcing they were bolting from the Toowoomba/Sydney route;

Wagner wants a million passengers within two years | Toowoomba Chronicle (read the Skytrans statement)

What a ridiculous press release! Who writes such lame folly? Entrepreneurs? Handing it to QF? Yeah sure they did. They are opting out because there is no fighting fund in the empty kitty. Also when they set up Toowoomba/Roma operations it lasted only a few months before 'putting Toowoomba/Roma operations on hold'. They stopped that route months before QF announced Wellcamp operations, so it would seem that their foray into the region was a flop;

Skytrans puts flights on pause | Gladstone Observer

I think that Qantas and JetGo operations out of Wellcamp is just the ticket. Better aircraft, better services, and proper airline structures compared to a 'family airline' service. Miners and business travellers need the proper structured airlines to meet their needs, and Qantas and JetGo will provide that :ok:

How long until the old airport is turned into a housing estate? The region certainly has enough gas deposits to keep it going for some time to come.
Perhaps the Wilds can invest in the new Toowoomba range bypass instead?

I'd hate to do that min-rest BWW overnight with a 0430 pick-up for a 0450 sign on about 20 mins west of Toowoomba!

They say it's on sale today. I just looked on Qantas' website and I can't buy a ticket at all. Those $99 fares are selling like hot cakes! :zzz:

Seems to prove the adage :- Build it, and they will come!

Well, it looks like the work experience kid has done the timings for this. You'd end up with 9 hours 45 minutes rest based on my back of the envelope calculations with a 15 minute sign off after 18:35 and 45 minute sign on before 05:20. So either some massaging needs to be done to the timings to get it to 10 hours rest or the morning arrival crew will have plenty of time on their overnight to experience the sights of Toowoomba!

The work experience kid did get it right. Eastern crew only need 30minutes sign on before departure. Plus the time from hotel pick up to the airport is not recognized as "duty time". So the crew has plenty of rest:mad:. 10hours.

Looks like 10h exactly from 1850-0450.

No doubt the Eastern PC will be pushing for a 1 sector shift on day 2! :E

Ah, interesting. Been a while so forgot they did things differently "down south" :) This certainly meets the definition of min rest then.

I can't seem to find any details on Wellcamp (under any name, Brisbane West, Toowoomba or Wellcamp) in the AIP.

Shouldn't someone be ensuring it is a licenced airport before commencing operations?

Yes, chimbu. Plenty more sleeps before the service starts. Check again after the next AIRAC.

Don't Eastern guys and girls only require a 9 hour break, if you look at some of the other overnighting ports then they are often signing off at round 2030 for a morning arrival at airport of 0600 with 0630, Sunstate I pretty sure are same apart from the 45 minute pre departure signon

Chimbu, correct nothing in the AIP's yet, CASA hasn't finished the certification process thus far. The media announcement was more of an advertisement for the new airport and gives a bit of kudos to the Wagners, the aerodrome in general, QLink and of course Mr Newman et al.
I think the potential that the airport has is huge going into the future. If you add to this the Wagners desire to upgrade the road infrastructure into the region as well you can really see that the once sleepy town of Toowoomba is to become a city.

Big biz vs. Small biz!
 

From today's Toowoomba Chronicle:

Do QLink operate under an approved FRMS or the standard industry exemption? If under the exemption they can easily do it in one duty period with a 4hr period free of all duty.

Southern handler

You're correct with your example, but a pre-0600 sign-on means that a 10 hour break is required.

Defenestrator

We have our F/D times detailed in our EBA, and is pretty close to the CAO48 limitations.

DIVOSH!

wellcamp IATA code is WTB
 

& is already in CRS's.

yep SYD crew flying in at 1835, then departing next morning at 0520.


What about fog in winter at that time of morning ?


+ why have any other services unless used by FIFO's ?


Surely must larger % of pax from WTB end not SYD end ?

They'll probably react the same way they do at Dubbo, Launceston, Albury, Mildura, Canberra, etc, whenever there is fog at those places in the morning.

IME, fog is generally worst just at daybreak. I've never flown near Toowoomba, but unless there's some local knowledge that I'm lacking (I'm a Mexican, after all :ooh:), a 0520 departure would likely aviod most of it.

It does sound like a prick of an overnight, getting up at 0400. Knowing Qlink, there would NO DOUBT be a Canberra chaser following this sector.

DIVOSH!

The fog sits on the range normally east to west and lifts by Gowrie mountain(halfway to Oakey) so Wellcamp is certainly better than the current airport. I can't see Qlink doing the "chock shed approach" from Gowrie mountain.:roll eyes: Yes it can be there in the morning and sometimes lasts for days.

30 mins sign on?????

How can that be SAFE???? Worlds best practice!!

Re fueling with water check, walk around, de-icing? Flight plan.......

Wow must be nice and relaxing at 05:00.....

Day 2 has a 30 min sign-on and has for at least as long as I've been at Qlink (Eastern).

• Refuelling (and water test - if any) is done by the re-fueller.
• Walkaround done by both crew (now only done by one)
• De-icing done by the ground crew
• Flight planning was done the day before. Any changes due to weather are 90% of the time "Put more fuel on". Any changes more serious than that generally result in a delayed departure.

When everything is going your way you can be fuelled, de-iced, loaded, and airborne well within 30 min.

Agreed that getting up early for all this sucks balls, but is a reality of regional flying.

DIVOSH!

ATFQ
 

The question was about safety, ie whether risk has been subordinated to corporate or personal greed - not about what is someone's "reality"...

The question (as best as I could determine) was whether a 30 minute sign-on was safe with re-fuelling/de-icing/flight planning and all.

The answer given was an explanation that all of that can be done in a safe manner by the various entities involved within the 30 minute period.

Then I added some comment (god forbid that that should happen on Prune :ugh:)

DIVOSH!