On that note No Hoper #2,

Was the crews actions to report moderate turbulence as opposed to the truth an error or violation?

Servo, I think the white tail is a different ATR.

J3pipercub
Perhaps a skills based error on part of pilots

Yes, both #1 & #2 boys, having personal insight into the recruiting and watching this from a distance for some time now.
Alot of ass covering from a crew who have showed to be out of their depth, who shouldn't have had "it" at speed in areas of turbulence with the cabin not secured (flighties seated & not braking legs)... AND not reported an AIRREP to ATC immediately for following aircraft; PLUS not disclosed such occurrence(s) to the ginger-beers after landing... SO they can adapt their inspections accordingly.
Airmanship is severely lacking today... but that's just my take on the matter.
Happy landings :ok:

Yes, one would have to agree with the latter. During my 54 years of Industry involvement I have noticed a decline in real Stick and Rudder manipulation, particularly over the last 20 to 25 years. Those who take excessive time to go solo, and the like, should be told it is probably in their best interests to find another vocation, rather than the training organisation just continuing to clip their ticket through student loans etc. irrespective of their poor handling skills :ugh:

Anyone remember Viscounts? We imported two of them, right? two broke up in the air. After the second the then department grounded the type finish, wouldn't even let them be ferried out of the country. Broken up where they stood.

Australian flying conditions and European flying conditions are two different things, it seems.

Interesting though, if I recall correctly. One broke up over Botany Bay after penetrating a thunderstorm. That led to the mandatory carriage of Radar for all RPT turbine aircraft.

The other lost a wing on descent in WA due to an incorrectly installed engine mount, or something similar.

Glad to stand corrected.

The other lost a wing on descent in WA due to an incorrectly installed engine mount,
 

Dec 1968

From NTSB report of MMA crash - 26 souls perished

"It was determined that the fatigue cracking and primary failure of
the starboard inner wing main spar lower boom occurred at Station 143 which
almost coincides with the outboard edge of No. 3 engine nacelle."

poor buggers didn't have a chance...:sad:

Lots more than two. 28 at least.

Oops... twenty two I meant to say. However it was a long time ago and you are probably right.

Australia operated a total of 27 (includes 2 RAAF). All removed from service by 1970.

Had a sad history in Australia

VH-TVA crew training Mangalore 31/10/54 3 fatal
VH-TVC thunderstorm Botany Bay 30/11/61 15 fatal
VH-RMI fire in cabin pressurisation blower #2 engine caused wing failure Winton, Queensland 22/9/66 24 fatal
VH-RMQ wing failed at #3 engine due incorrectly installed bush in the lower spar boom 31/12/68 25 fatal

Why is it if this happened to Qlink, QF or JQ the media would go to town and there would probably be some governmental enquiry?????

SN

Because Virgin employees don't hate their employer.

They don't run off to the media or to the easily misled senator with wild accusations.

They allow due process to be followed and corrections to be implemented as intended.

Flying passengers around in a wreck for five days.And only bs in this thread.

Just as a matter of interest, did you inspect the aircraft in the first instance?

No I did not.

I would have performed a thorough inspection using the required stands.

Strong rumour - Wait for the final report where they publish what the CCTV of the inspection shows.

All will be revealed.

Pity those engineers didn't inspect the ATR72 before releasing it for further flight and putting many at risk...

What makes you think it wasn't one of the much loved off-shore providers that picked it up?

O, FFS - Post removed – sense of humour removed – interest removed.

Looks like it's been repaired to a flyable state. Due to fly out of Aus in the next few days, possibly back to France?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHFVR

Probably to Seletar where all maintenance for the VARA ATRs is occuring