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CamelSquadron 24th Feb 2014 12:06

Qantas Sick Leave
 
Saw a report today that said that sick leave in Qantas is averaging 10 days per employee.

In contrast Jetstar is averaging 4.5 days per employee. Another example of how Jestar staff are more productive than Qantas staff on average.

Qantas staff sick leave costs $125m per year in itself.

Little surprise that more functions are outsourced and off-shored.

VH-UFO 24th Feb 2014 12:07

Qantas Sick Leave
 
3....2.....1....and

Angle of Attack 24th Feb 2014 12:25

And also a potential indicator of staff too scared to call sick, you can read stats multiple ways......

clark y 24th Feb 2014 18:44

Wonder if "contractor" stats are included.

doug606 24th Feb 2014 21:34

As a worker I'd rather my work mates be at home sick then next to me infecting the whole crew. Last year I was on shift when some left early on the first day feeling sick the next day it was 3, by the last night shift 16 people were off sick with the same symptoms so sometimes you and the company are better off not being tough and coming in

12-47 24th Feb 2014 21:47

You would hope people are conversant with these laws;

CIVIL AVIATION SAFETY REGULATIONS 1998 - REG 67.270 Offence--doing act while efficiency impaired
(1) This regulation applies in relation to a licence of any of the following kinds:
(a) flight crew licence;
(b) special pilot licence;
(c) flight radiotelephone licence;
(d) air traffic controller licence.
(2) The holder of the licence must not do an act authorised by the licence if at the time:
(a) he or she knows that he or she has a medically significant condition; and
(b) the condition has the result that his or her ability to do the act is impaired.
Penalty: 50 penalty units.

In other words you can technically be convicted and fined if in breach. Try maintaining your ASIC with a conviction against your name. If you are not fit for duty you shouldn't be crewing an aircraft and based on recent occurrences the CASA definition of medically significant condition is very much 'no matter how minor'.

Livs Hairdresser 24th Feb 2014 22:03


In contrast Jetstar is averaging 4.5 days per employee. Another example of how Jestar staff are more productive than Qantas staff on average.
So does that include the rort where you let your mate know you're going to call in sick, your mate then comes in and does the trip and gets additional pay for working on a day off?

Then your mate does the same favour for you next week ....

maggot 24th Feb 2014 22:09

does your mate owe you a case of beer for a successful go at that?

1A_Please 24th Feb 2014 22:25


Another example of how Jestar staff are more productive than Qantas staff on average.
...or that Jetstar are so terrified by the tenuous nature of their work contract, they are too frightened to take sick leave.

Sick leave can be abused and there are probably heaps of abuse throughout Qantas (partly due to over-generous SL provisions in EBAs etc) but I have always found that if you have an engaged happy workforce, people self-regulate and restrict their sick leave to when they are actually sick and that is the time, as an employer, I don't want them in anyway.

Qantas has developed such a poisonous culture that employees are taking extra sick leave because they feel under-valued whilst management treat all sick leave (except their own) as a rort. This is a race to the bottom.

neville_nobody 24th Feb 2014 22:26

This is a non starter for pilots as in certain instances pilots would actually be taking a pay reduction by going sick, given the structure of the QF pay system.

Until you get pilot data this is a pointless argument if you are throwing in cabin crew, office workers, ground staff etc etc.

Australopithecus 24th Feb 2014 22:50

Qantas' workforce include many older workers, past the age of rude good health. Bad **** sometimes happens as you get older, start shaving, have kids etc, CamelSquadron.

QF core staff also toil under an executive team that keeps stress levels high with constant leaking of impending doom, endless strategic reviews and publicly rewarded malfeasance.

Just wait until JQ is no longer the fair-haired boy in the group.

CamelSquadron 24th Feb 2014 23:10

If you benchmark sick leave against other companies - 10 is an extremely high number and it reflects very poorly on the mindset and productivity of the Qantas staff.

For it to average 10, there must be many taking more than 10 because in any business you will have a fair proportion of responsible people who will only take sick leave when they are really sick.

neville_nobody 24th Feb 2014 23:14


If you benchmark sick leave against other companies - 10 is an extremely high number and it reflects very poorly on the mindset and productivity of the Qantas staff.
And you're going to benchmark that against a bank or insurance company where office workers can go to work with a light cold, whereas in aviation that could end in permanent injury.:ugh: Likewise a busted finger or wrist would rule out a flight attendant or pilot but your bank worker can carry on.

I suggest you get real data against a real comparison.

bloated goat 24th Feb 2014 23:27

ONYA Neville!!
 
3 votes to that.

*Lancer* 24th Feb 2014 23:46

Australian average is 9.4. Public sector in the teens. Qantas seems pretty normal.

BNEA320 24th Feb 2014 23:53

new sick leave policy come thu
 
u get sick, you leave

Icarus2001 24th Feb 2014 23:53


If you benchmark sick leave against other companies - 10 is an extremely high numbe
Well you obviously feel that you have done the comparison.

Perhaps you could share both the data and the source of the data otherwise it is just another opinion dressed up as a fact.

12-47 25th Feb 2014 00:01


Australian average is 9.4. Public sector in the teens. Qantas seems pretty normal.
Around 14 if I remember correctly for the public sector and that includes your desk bound public servants. To think you've got an ageing workforce, many of who work across timezones, back of the clock and in an environment where URTIs are commonplace, 10 is impressive.

Icarus2001 25th Feb 2014 01:17

This...

Absenteeism reflects sick organisation

Or this...

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

Where did you get the figure of ten from CamelSquadron? Did the media department just give you that figure to spread this week before Thursday?

Trent 972 25th Feb 2014 01:26

If you want to have a little giggle, click on CamelSquadron in a post heading and then, "Find More Posts by CamelSquadron".
Every post has the same theme.
Total TROLL.
Hahahahaha


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