Qantas Sick Leave
 

Saw a report today that said that sick leave in Qantas is averaging 10 days per employee.

In contrast Jetstar is averaging 4.5 days per employee. Another example of how Jestar staff are more productive than Qantas staff on average.

Qantas staff sick leave costs $125m per year in itself.

Little surprise that more functions are outsourced and off-shored.

Qantas Sick Leave
 

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And also a potential indicator of staff too scared to call sick, you can read stats multiple ways......

Wonder if "contractor" stats are included.

As a worker I'd rather my work mates be at home sick then next to me infecting the whole crew. Last year I was on shift when some left early on the first day feeling sick the next day it was 3, by the last night shift 16 people were off sick with the same symptoms so sometimes you and the company are better off not being tough and coming in

You would hope people are conversant with these laws;

CIVIL AVIATION SAFETY REGULATIONS 1998 - REG 67.270 Offence--doing act while efficiency impaired
(1) This regulation applies in relation to a licence of any of the following kinds:
(a) flight crew licence;
(b) special pilot licence;
(c) flight radiotelephone licence;
(d) air traffic controller licence.
(2) The holder of the licence must not do an act authorised by the licence if at the time:
(a) he or she knows that he or she has a medically significant condition; and
(b) the condition has the result that his or her ability to do the act is impaired.
Penalty: 50 penalty units.

In other words you can technically be convicted and fined if in breach. Try maintaining your ASIC with a conviction against your name. If you are not fit for duty you shouldn't be crewing an aircraft and based on recent occurrences the CASA definition of medically significant condition is very much 'no matter how minor'.

So does that include the rort where you let your mate know you're going to call in sick, your mate then comes in and does the trip and gets additional pay for working on a day off?

Then your mate does the same favour for you next week ....

does your mate owe you a case of beer for a successful go at that?

...or that Jetstar are so terrified by the tenuous nature of their work contract, they are too frightened to take sick leave.

Sick leave can be abused and there are probably heaps of abuse throughout Qantas (partly due to over-generous SL provisions in EBAs etc) but I have always found that if you have an engaged happy workforce, people self-regulate and restrict their sick leave to when they are actually sick and that is the time, as an employer, I don't want them in anyway.

Qantas has developed such a poisonous culture that employees are taking extra sick leave because they feel under-valued whilst management treat all sick leave (except their own) as a rort. This is a race to the bottom.

This is a non starter for pilots as in certain instances pilots would actually be taking a pay reduction by going sick, given the structure of the QF pay system.

Until you get pilot data this is a pointless argument if you are throwing in cabin crew, office workers, ground staff etc etc.

Qantas' workforce include many older workers, past the age of rude good health. Bad **** sometimes happens as you get older, start shaving, have kids etc, CamelSquadron.

QF core staff also toil under an executive team that keeps stress levels high with constant leaking of impending doom, endless strategic reviews and publicly rewarded malfeasance.

Just wait until JQ is no longer the fair-haired boy in the group.

If you benchmark sick leave against other companies - 10 is an extremely high number and it reflects very poorly on the mindset and productivity of the Qantas staff.

For it to average 10, there must be many taking more than 10 because in any business you will have a fair proportion of responsible people who will only take sick leave when they are really sick.

And you're going to benchmark that against a bank or insurance company where office workers can go to work with a light cold, whereas in aviation that could end in permanent injury.:ugh: Likewise a busted finger or wrist would rule out a flight attendant or pilot but your bank worker can carry on.

I suggest you get real data against a real comparison.

ONYA Neville!!
 

3 votes to that.

Australian average is 9.4. Public sector in the teens. Qantas seems pretty normal.

new sick leave policy come thu
 

u get sick, you leave

Well you obviously feel that you have done the comparison.

Perhaps you could share both the data and the source of the data otherwise it is just another opinion dressed up as a fact.

Around 14 if I remember correctly for the public sector and that includes your desk bound public servants. To think you've got an ageing workforce, many of who work across timezones, back of the clock and in an environment where URTIs are commonplace, 10 is impressive.

This...

Absenteeism reflects sick organisation

Or this...

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Where did you get the figure of ten from CamelSquadron? Did the media department just give you that figure to spread this week before Thursday?

If you want to have a little giggle, click on CamelSquadron in a post heading and then, "Find More Posts by CamelSquadron".
Every post has the same theme.
Total TROLL.
Hahahahaha

10 days average seem to be a lot. I belong to the older work force and in all my working life I had never 10 days sick leave in a year and I never worked in an organisation where one could accumulate sick leave.

Trent972

+1

"Total TROLL."

Thats the best you can come up with when faced with facts?

This really is a 1970's primary school yard type response. Very immature.

Is not :-)

Facts? You've posted none, just some cited some anonymous report. Document your source.

Qantas plan echoes BA?s brutal restructure

Unfortunately for you, its not written with crayons.

Camel, your link is hidden behind a pay wall.
Can you please use your crayons to put it up here, because all us kiddies can't afford a Fin Review subscription. (Like it will be around is 12 months time, anyway). :p

CS,

Instead of being a Troll, how about you try and contribute .. Yes I acknowledge you are not the only idiot that posts here but I'd really like intelligent discussion instead of what you offer.

At the moment, all I can discern from your posts, from my half century of Aviation experience is that you are an idiot that is not worthy of anything other than being strapped to a pallet for a laps extraction.

Please be intelligent.

N

Ok, here is the original article:

Qantas Airways faces challenges with “strong parallels” to those that led to a brutal restructure of British Airways more than a decade ago, says former BA chief executive Rod Eddington.
Sir Eddington, who took the helm of BA in 2000, launched the transform*ational “Future Size and Shape” program. It resulted in the loss of nearly one-quarter of the airline’s 65,000-strong workforce over three years but helped return the carrier to profitability by focusing on its strengths as a full-service airline amid competition from budget rivals.
Qantas has already announced plans to cut 1000 jobs from its workforce of 33,000 this year. But it is expected to raise that number alongside the release of its half-year results on Thursday as part of a plan to cut costs by $2 billion over three years to better compete against Virgin Australia Holdings.
Scott Gustetter, a former Qantas network and strategy executive who heads aviation consultancy Aspirion, said the job cuts at the airline could approach 6000. “From a labour point of view you are going to see massive changes,” he said.
Sir Eddington said there were “some strong parallels between the challenges British Airways faced in 2000 and the challenges Qantas faces today”.
“The people of British Airways were able to confront those challenges, think through what needed to be done and actually implement the changes,” he told The Australian Financial Review on Monday. “That was the workforce as a whole.”
Many of the jobs were lost through natural attrition and the sale of non-core businesses, but there were also major cuts to the call centres and check-in staff through better use of technology. In addition, some employees such as flight attendants switched from full-time work to part-time in a move that helped avoid costly *redundancy payments. There were few strikes during that period.
By the time Mr Eddington exited BA in late 2005, annual earnings had grown to £450 million, up from a £62 million loss when he had arrived. “You can do it but it is difficult and you need to bring your people with you,” he said of the restructuring effort.
A bigger turnaround than American Airlines

Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce has said that cutting $2 billion of costs from the business over three years will represent proportionately greater cuts than those made by American Airlines during its recent Chapter 11 bankruptcy.
American Airlines cut 11 per cent of its 66,000-strong workforce over an *18-month period before it emerged from bankruptcy in December. The heaviest job losses were in engineering and *baggage handling.
Qantas, like other legacy carriers, is a complex business. The airline has 49 enterprise bargaining agreements with 16 different unions, which includes newer agreements that offer less generous terms than older ones.
Qantas has already been reducing staff at its mainline operations while growing its low-cost subsidiary Jetstar Airways. Employee numbers at its mainline business fell by nearly 1300 between June 2012 and June 2013 but remain above 25,000. Qantas’s mainline staff on average took 10 sick days last financial year compared with 4.7 for Jetstar staff. The total annual attrition rate is just 4.5 per cent.
Mr Gustetter said he expected cuts in call centre staff, engineering and the head office, with some positions lost altogether and others outsourced. Most call centre workers at Qantas are located onshore and some in New Zealand, whereas BA outsources to India.
In engineering, Qantas does the bulk of its heavy maintenance for its dom*estic fleet onshore even though the Qantas Sale Act only requires that for its international fleet. In contrast, Virgin does most of its heavy maintenance in overseas locations such as New Zealand and Portugal and has a far smaller *engineering staff. “I think that is *certainly an area susceptible to cuts,” Mr Gustetter said. “It is an unfortunate consequence of the competitiveness of the Australian labour force.”
He said cuts to the workforce *performing more routine line main*tenance at Qantas might also be made because for every three engineers checking a Virgin aircraft, there were typically six at Qantas. “That has to change,” he said.
Mr Gustetter said he also expected Qantas would retire ageing 767s and 747s more quickly than previously flagged in a move that could help lower fuel costs and the additional pilot and maintenance requirements of having a more mixed fleet.

Thank you noip for another personal attack. Can I suggest you stick to the thread topic?

Fixed it for you
 

Oh, I get it now! An unattributed newspaper report. For a moment there it was some sort of rigorous research report. Once again another piece of data that cannot be tested - its unverifiable, and therefore has little to no validity.

Does Qantas / Jetstar advertise or have a commercial relationship with Fairfax media group? You are right your honour, withdrawn.

'Sir Eddington'???

BTW I worked for that individual and found him fairly uninspiring, and IMO his tenure was the start of the downhill run for my current airline.

And a previous airline he ran no longer exists.

You are clearly not a professional pilot , but complete idiot C.S

CS.

As you know JQ fly the A320 with containerised baggage.

QF fly the 737 with hold stowed baggage loaded by conveyer belt.

As you know the 737 conducts close to 400 sectors a day.

To load and unload an A320 the individual item of baggage is handled only twice by JQ staff. Once placing it in the can and a second time removing it.

Compare that to the handling of the 737. The item is handled 6 times by a baggage handler. Once from the belt to the trolley, a second time from trolley to the inclined conveyer belt and a third time from the belt to the aircraft hold. The process repeated again from aircraft hold to the belt. Again from belt to the trolley and one more time trolley to baggage belt.

When you obtain some lost time due injuries data, say for example Baggage Handlers. Which in affect, your calling Qantas Mainline "Sickies". We can then discuss the work practices which exposes mainline employees to injuries at a rate 3 times higher than JQ.

MC

CS,

Fine ... confirmed idiot with nothing to contribute ..

I was expecting more.


Goodbye ..

N

more BS to soften up the public for the inevitable movement of more flying to Jetstar.

Article is largely -
From the words of Scott Gustetter CEO of ASPIRION Well there you have it then, he would know wouldn't he.
CamelSquadron, I've got a bridge in Sydney Harbour for sale, are you interested?
edit.
TROLL

And there end the 'strong parallels' with Qantas...

Fatguyinalittlecoat

Much like the false company claim pilots wanted facials & massages preflight as part of an EBA claim.

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The lengths some companies will go to in order to smear the public image of their own employees.

MC.

Thanks for the personal abuse, It tells you more about the character of the person doing the abusing. If your this thuggish in a forum then what are you like when it comes to something important like an industrial relations dispute?

Is it true that Qantas long haul pilots get up to 25 days sick leave per year? Surely not? That would mean they get more sick leave than the rest of the population get in holidays every year.