From the qf presser today
"State of the art equipment, including a 787 flight simulator, will be installed at the group’s flight training centre in Airport West"

Does jetstar have a training facility at airport west or are they talking about the qantas group training facility?

Does jetstar have a training facility at airport west or are they talking about the qantas group training facility?

Did you not just answer your own question?

Yes happyfarm they'll shoehorn one in at York St.

It would be a bit silly putting it in Sydney. That facility is going to get bulldozed fairly soon.

what is the current time scale for that to happen, alidad? I've been hearing about the training facilities moving forever

Just my bad grammar. I thought the press release was deliberately vague and could have been referring to a jetstar group facility.

If true, wouldn't such an agreement be regarded as anti- competitive? Apart from that, how could anyone put JQ in the same League as QF? I'm still puzzled why JQ gets all the new toys while the real airline retains the old equipment. Is a ploy to minimize JQ's costs so that it appears to be such an amaaaaaaaazing biznuss?

Yeah they'll shoehorn it right into that empty bay..

So excited for the 787, QF must be slightly kicking themselves that we are just handing over our used 330's over to them! :D

You won't be saying that when you have yet another uncontrolled battery fire somewhere in the middle of the Pacific that's for sure..................

Black prince.

They are not your used 330s. They are our 330s that you have been borrowing.

word has it nev they wont be on the pacific. something about useful load. shoulda waited for the -900s maybe

edit: found some weights with google, my own rough back of the fag packet calcs, hnl to mel should be about doable with mzfw, which matches other payload range comments out there.

dunno. wait and see i guess. hopefully the battery thing gets sorted.

Troll alert. :mad:

BWAHAHAHAHAHA. I bet QF will make more money out of the A330s than J* international has! Further, it'll mean that QF can increase the disposal rate of 767s which (despite being a champion aeroplane) cost more to operate than an A330 but carry fewer passengers with less amenity.

In that respect, QF is thrilled to be getting their A330s back into operation. CEO Domestic has been salivating at the prospect of getting them back for the last couple of years.

Meanwhile a bunch of Mainline Captains and FOs on the 767 have received notice of their impending demotion.

And with the late Oct QF Tasman schedule changes CHC-SYD-CHC flying goes to Jetconnect.

737-400 ops to go to Cobham operated 717's

Unfortunately with the demotions on the 767, this is the next step in the complete dismantling of terms and conditions of a ratified award.
And sadly, once qantas finishes with the mainline guys, they will move onto Jetstar and whoever else is down the chain. There is no end game for these blokes.
In the end the likes of Joyce and managers beneath him are driven by one thing, their own short term bonuses, and the consultant culture that thrives when there is someone in the drivers seat who has no idea.
But credit to them, their only one long term goal is to destroy the careers of some of the longest serving employees.
Go figure.:ugh:

Apparently the 787 with a two class 260 seat config is no more economical than those tired old 767/300 aircraft.
I'm sure the j* accountants will cook the books to make the plastic fantastic viable at any cost to mainline

by what measure?

Here's a starting point: PianoX B787 vs 767-300ERW & Boeing 787 update and CO2 emissions perspective.

Vasis,

You are almost right. The LCC concept compromised the seat pitch. The slim line seats just help them do it.

The Don

Did I see Andrew Strauss in a Jetstar TV ad for the B787 last night ?
Who is the CP for Jetstar now ?

yes.

still MR

Any truth in the rumour that J* have crammed so many seats into the 787-8s that they cannot do OOL-NRT due to weight problems?

Come on Kremin, of course they could do OOL-NRT in those new machines, perhaps just not with a breakeven payload...

yes kremin, apparently. less to do with seats i'm told, more to do with the engine thrust rating they paid for. first 4? like that, others subsequent are to be chipped up. so the rumour goes anyway

Define "breakeven payload" :suspect:

I heard another case of bean counters making operational decisions based on a spreadsheet rather than sense. Just like the A330s. Utter morons that don't learn from past mistakes.

Interesting... this from an aircraft that was originally billed as a Trans-Pacific puddle jumper.

I am still not convinced about the 787.

210-250 pax from boeing website for the -800
jetstar 335 pax config apparently

anyone offering odds on how long before they are reconfigured on pax feedback?

335/250=1.34

Never Warren. The masters of the universe never make mistakes.

true don, but reg's masterstroke of no seat recline did get reversed

Waren9.

I heard it was not only the engine thrust rating they paid for, but the engine pylon assembly associated with that thrust.

Supposedly, when the lower thrust engines were ordered. Boeing build the pylon specifically for that thrust output.

You can't just tweak the thrust without modifying the engine pylon.

MC

ah yes, mc that rings bells too.

Heard exactly the same thing.

Is this a lemon for JQ in that it can't carry max pax over some of its existing sectors? I wonder how long it will take to 'return' the aircraft to Mainline?

They'll be "returned" to Mainline when they are scheduled for heavy maintenance, Ken - J* have to keep their costs down somehow.

4 years after the purchase I've been told. Apparently Boeing covers the first 4 years servicing inclusive in the purchase price. Watch them go back to mainline as soon as a bill has to be paid.