They start out on domestic flying for crew training first before International flights begin.

I agree Domestic flying first then will expand...its a. CASA requirement..

First lot of C&T Captains are rostered in July to go to Singapore for the endorsement (all oz based pilots).

Can anyone giveaway what date and route the first domestic commercial jetstar 787 flight would be? I would love to jump on it as paid passenger with the family.

Talk was Melbourne-Cairns, Sydney-Cairns Nov

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Full page ads from Boeing in today's papers congratulating Jetstar on their upcoming 787s

Any theories why the aircraft has not been painted yet, and why the rudder is white when all the other aircraft on the production line have livery on their rudders?

One or two but they are fairly unlikely at this late stage. The rudders are usually
the first part painted. I believe they have to be painted and "balanced" prior to fitting. Perhaps not? Are you 100% on the current paint scheme?

Latest pic I can find of it, but its been moved from there now. http://m.flickr.com/photos/moonm/9319359132/lightbox/

Interesting. Perhaps it will be flown to China or maybe Bangladesh for painting? Only the highest industrial and environmental standards.


From JQ publicity in July. Some stickers perhaps?

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Sydnet Caterers have been told that QF3/4 and QF 21/22 will be replaced by Jetstar.No QF metal to either of these destinations.
And yes this is a rumour network

As of six weeks ago, A330 was to replace 767 to HNL early next year with a view to go daily shortly thereafter. Maybe that's changed but that was from CEO, CEO international, and CFO.

From Ben Sandilands blog 28/07 :
So any guesses as to what this might be? Does it have anything to do with the unpainted state of the jets?

JQ 787's sold to a leasing company? QF have already substantially gained form the 787 program and they have not even had one delivered yet.

JQ 787's to be operated by a wet leasing organisation? Aside form the management guys, are there any crews actually in training for this jet which shows up in 6 weeks time? Yes, mid September is only 6 weeks away.

JQ 787s are no longer and they will be 'gifted' elsewhere in the organisation? Surely not...

JQ 787s are being flown to the paint shop in Malaysia, where they will get their very own individual shade of JQ silver applied to 'fit in' with the rest of the fleet.

Yes, it is a rumour network... ;) But it seems odd that this first 787 has been delayed in having its livery applied.

One of the rumours doing the rounds is that the consultants referred to here

http://www.pprune.org/australia-new-...-scrutiny.html

were brought in to investigate the costs of shutting down QF International entirely. 500 million was the rumoured figure. If it happens, that is highly unlikely to be announced until after the federal election as it would be politically explosive.

Years ago when Kendell were rumoured to be getting the CBA 123 as a Metro replacement, a wise Captain said to an excited new hire F/O "When you can kick the tyres you know its arrived" Nothings changed in over 20 years when it comes to new aircraft.

Another interesting little twist to the story. Ex-Tiger CEO Andrew David was recruited by Jetstar last December as CEO longhaul operations to "run the 787".

This article refers: Tiger Australia CEO to change airlines, run 787s for Jetstar | Plane Talking

Apparently in the last few weeks he has just been appointed CEO of Jetstar NZ & Japan businesses (can't find a reference, only rumour), which would seem a very strange move just before the aircraft he was meant to run arrives.

It would be incredibly stupid for qf management to pull out of narita (even dumber than pulling out of Frankfurt and San Francisco). I have spent a lot of time in Narita throughout my career at qf and have flown business class on QF on that route every time i go there and business class is alway nearly full (even the months after the tsunami). When it comes to QF staff travel it has always been a struggle to get my family on QF21 as it is always full (even in economy). Once i was sitting next to a businessman from the Gold Coast and he prefers to fly from gold coast to Sydney with Virgin, then hop on board QF21 rather then sitting in Starclass on Jetstar that goes direct to Narita from the Gold Coast.

Reference for Oldmate

"Andrew David will be taking on the role of Executive Director Japan and New Zealand"

Rumor confirmed

Thanks Iron Bar!

Spoke to a bloke in SIN a few weeks ago who was on his JQ 787 course. Didn't think to ask if he was management or not.

The JQ management guys have completed their 787 endorsements last week.

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Heard Boeing is offering a mod to best deal with all the fires.....

A Chimney....

Just curious as to what would be the normal pathway for Jetstar pilots to get on the 787 fleet? Will it be purely based on seniority? And if so, would this mean no chance for new recruits to start on the 787?

Pity it's not in Qantas colours.

Agreed - Qantas obviously should have first had the 777 years ago and now should be the first to fly the OZ flag on the 787. Sadly not to be due to years and years of mismanagement and myopia in a fast-changing airline landscape...

Love the Jetstar paintscheme on the 787. Very well done. The 787 pilots will be justifiably proud of that bird. Is there any initial destination list for the 787 (first few destinations replacing the A330s)? Singapore, Bali and Honolulu?

Whats the bet that J* market heavily the 787 going to HNL. Of course on the same day you'll have QF passengers going there on the 767. Whilst the product isn't too different it speaks volumes that QF can continue to turn a profit with a 767. Imagine how much better we could be doing with the new metal and an upgraded product.

Looks Good.

I bet there are plenty of Jetstar guys at full mast at the moment.

Meanwhile at the QF camp its viagra all around.

:O

:yuk::yuk:

But look, are they white engine nacelles? Still hope yet that sense will prevail.

probably back to the hanger......

looks good, still jetstar product inside though.

Boeing said engine nacelles are only available in white to maintain laminar flow, then BA got blue.

Keg

I actually applaud the arrival of JQ's 787's.

This will trigger the return of ex JQ A330's back to the Qantas mainline operation.

I'm sure your no doubt aware that internal QF group agreements disallow the same aircraft type to operate on the same city pair.

That's the reason why Qantas can't put an A330 on the HNL route until JQ are exclusively 787's on that route.

Have you ever wondered why an A330 hasnt been scheduled on the HNL route even with very high load factors.

I am of the opinion that the 787's to JQ first is nothing more than a marketing ploy and the byproduct also being reduced fuel costs.

If anything, sending the 787's to JQ first shows the resilience of the Qantas brand. Mainline B767's continue to fly to HNL full. If the QF International business truly was in terminal decline & with fuel it's major costs. The 787's would have gone to mainline first if it really needed turning around ASAP.

In the July edition of the JQ in flight magazine Jane Hrdlicka promotes the arrival of the JQ 787's as the beginning of a new era in inflight comfort.

Does anyone honestly believe being shoehorned into a JQ 787 as a comfortable experience.

I can assure you six months after the arrival of the 787 and the associated issues of introducing a new aircraft type. There will still be delays, no change to load factors and mainline charters to cover JQ unserviceabilities or cancelations to HNL. But QF will be able to send an A330.

MC

787 wont be going to HNL. Jetstar will be hanging onto 4 A330's to cover that flying.

As of July 2013 Jane Hrdlicka was stating JQ 787's to AKL, SIN, NRT & HNL.

]I'm sure your no doubt aware that internal QF group agreements disallow the same aircraft type to operate on the same city pair.

Really? Seems that someone hasn't got that memo. I have often operated SIN-MEL in a QF330 some 5 mins behind JQ8 - another A330

Oh spare me.

I concede you are correct.

Perhaps the internal agreements are being unwound since Hickeys arrival at international or have expired.

Hopefully sanity it's starting to prevail.

From what I've heard from various sources MC the first 787's don't have the legs to go to HNL with the same load and freight capacity as the 330. Maybe JH made her announcement before commercial understood that just because the nice aeroplane salesman says it will take so many people so many miles with so much freight they forgot to mention that it can't do it all at the same time!

Lookleft.

Maybe someone should tell Hrdlicka & marketing.

I just went back over the online version of the Jetstar inflight mag (July & August)

It definitely states the 787 to HNL and ALL JQ Longhaul destinations served by the 787 by 2015.

Maybe by announcing it, trying it. having it fall short they maximise their legal compensation?