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Old 21st May 2013, 06:54
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Jetstar 787's

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From Crikey yesterday


Jetstar has not said when it will launch 787 services, or confirmed the route from inaugural route Singapore, where it will base a fleet of 14 787-8s.
Has this been confirmed by Jet*? What do the crew know of this? Are there any JQ people doing endorsements yet?

If true, what happens to the current 330 crew? Sad for oz aviation if the bastards get away with this one

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Jetstar will need to base some 787's in Oz otherwise it will be too difficult to keep the management pilots current!
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I heard that all initial Check and Training pilots have been assigned to the 787 and that they are ALL Melbourne based. A handful of pilots are currently undergoing training, also OZ based. So I would be very surprised if ALL the 787's are going to SIN. To be fair though, J* probably don't know yet themselves as QANTAS haven't told them
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a couple of mgmt guys are rated.

a few of the initial checkers/trainers have been named and i guess they will be off to sin imminently for their ratings.

1st one shows up in sept and i guess there'll be a fair few proving flights and some domestic sectors for the gents to get their hands in before it goes intl.
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Any existing widebody Pilot gets a slot in their existing base.

The additional 3 will go where the company will get the best return. Probably Qantas :P
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The additional 3 will go where the company will get the best return
West Coast linking to Asia and ME.
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The Crikey piece is incorrect.
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Im predicting they will be used for routes to singapore to compete against scoot.
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Folks,
According to Ben Sandilands, who is unusually well informed, as most of you know, the Jetstar 787's will be based in Singapore.

Whether you like it or not, the aircraft could be VH- ( I don't know what register they will be on) and still be based in Singapore and operate under CAAS administration.

There are multiple reasons to not base them in Australia, the important reasons are financial and regulatory --- crew costs as a relatively minor issue. Essentially, the sovereign risk of basing them in Australia is too great, NZ was geographically out of the question.

It will be interesting to see what actually transpires.

Tootle pip!!

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Could operated much like the VAI B777's, hey Leadie? ie VH registered, Oz crew, but maintained offshore...
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Does this mean that the B787s will be issued a Singapore C of A and be maintained under the singapore ICAO compliant maintenance system?

Does this preclude CASA involvement in B787 Airworthiness? If so what happens to all those free flights and visits to Seattle, St Louis, etc. for CASA staff?
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Originally Posted by LeadSled
the important reasons are financial and regulatory
Can you flesh out the details LeadSled?
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The first one will be registered as VH-VKA
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According to Ben Sandilands, who is unusually well informed, as most of you know, the Jetstar 787's will be based in Singapore.
He seems usually well informed.

Or do you mean the level of his information is unusually high when compared to other people/journalists?
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Old 21st May 2013, 22:47
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Whether you like it or not, the aircraft could be VH- ( I don't know what register they will be on) and still be based in Singapore and operate under CAAS administration.
Hi LeadSled, you can't be VH registered and be administered by CAAS. CAAS only regulate 9V aircraft. The Jetstar A330s in Sing are still administered by CASA.

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you can't be VH registered and be administered by CAAS. CAAS only regulate 9V aircraft. The Jetstar A330s in Sing are still administered by CASA.
Exactly! Anyone who actually works for Jetstar would remember the debacle, one reason big bad Bruce is now selling face cream door to door in Asia, where he tried to put the 330's on the Singapore register. One of the first things they wanted was a proper crew rest so they all stayed on the VH register. I think Bruce thought it was going to be as simple as changing the rego of a car.
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Rather then Ben Sandilands, you might consider what Jayne Hrdlicka has been quoted as saying:

Late September delivery for first Jetstar 787 | Australian Aviation Magazine
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Originally Posted by leadsled
Essentially, the sovereign risk of basing them in Australia is too great,
What sovereign risk is that? I don't understand the point you're trying to make.
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kelliekelpie...

you can't be VH registered and be administered by CAAS.
What if there's an Article 83 bis agreement in place between Australia and Singapore?

See http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dl...PN008-2010.pdf
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Interesting, but I can't see CAAS taking this on.
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