So they can send staff to NZ for a check but any aircraft going to the asian Centre of Excellence in Manila go it alone.

Great idea Tony.

The don't even need the maintenance release to be valid when the aircraft takes off out of Manilla either. Isn't that right Tony.

And this, sadly, is where unions fail. It is meant to be a collective force, an expression of collective will--but when it comes to anything outside of attending a stop-work meeting, or maybe participating in a march, the membership will do nothing. Except whine about "why isn't the union doing something?" When it comes to a situation such as currently exists at Avalon, as an example, they really can do very little without mass , active membership support. Support that goes beyond paying their union dues, that is.:rolleyes: Long ago, I was a union member (unrelated industry), and I have seen the really ugly side of it, the one which exists to this very day, among the bottom feeders like the CFMEU, AWU, et al; I just won't be a part of it, and fear it returning to the industry I am currently in. The reps will say-"things are good now, but who will look after you when it turns bad?-" my answer? You certainly won't ,because you are powerless when the downsizing starts--you can't do a bloody thing except make meaningless noises for a TV camera.
Steve and the union he represents, is, to me, a shining example of what a union should be-unaffiliated to any political party, there for the members and not just a career step into a safe seat in lower house or senate, able to negotiate a decent EBA,and offer support to individual members with work-related issues: but, when the proverbial goes through the prop, the redundancy clauses the union had written into that EBA is all you have. If the company wants to close their facility, they will do so.
The installation does not exist to provide you with a job, it provides a function for the company, and , particularly with the apparent attitudes of the current qantas management, all he can do is smooth the dying pillow if they want to close it. Unless, of course, an unparalleled show of support from ALL of the membership , and resulting media coverage, forces a company rethink.
Difficult to imagine it happening.:sad:

Ranmar850...... Your attempt at sharing words of wisdom is to me and many of us who work in this Industry (and Union members) just another typical example of endless excuses about why Unions are a lost cause.
The CFMEU (one of your excuses for not being a union member) don't even operate in our Industry. Rather than throw stones....you, me and everyone else in our Industry should feel an obligation to do whatever we can to keep it alive. Not only for us, but for those who were proudly here before us and more importantly for the next generation which could include our sons and daughters.
Please spare us from another pointless soapbox episode of Raising the white flag and shouting "you can't do anything to stop it....it's all too late....too hard.....don't bother.....blame the Unions".
Unions don't always get it right, but we have too many amongst us that wouldn't hesitate to eat our own just to look after our own individual backsides. That's the cancer that's allowed us to become less effective and influential........not some boring repetitive excuse about Unions.:=

How do you think CFMEU brings Grocon to the table? Sweet reason? The only thing that will get you anywhere is to credibly threaten Qantas profitability.

Since politicians on both sides of Parliament vie with each other to see how far they canclimb up the Qantas arse, you have very little hope. Then of course the Greens hate all airlines so they are no help.

You need to strike and make it stick and bugger FWA.

Australian logistics division of Ford to make one thousand redundant. What does Julia do. Inject another twelve million into car manufacturing on top of the thirty six million Per annum.
QF and numerous aircraft maintenance facilities in AUZ making staff redundant, what does Julia do Sweet FA

Looking fwd to September Julia

Griffin if you think the other mob will help out you are mistaken. I have also wondered at the sacred cow the auto industry appeared to be. Both sides of politics are guilty of propping up various car makers with billions and left aviation to rot both in a regulatory sense and the industry at large.

Sad, but true ampclamp. Unfortunately, the aviation industry in this country does not rate for votes.

SYD redundancies may be on hold for a while but lots of rumours of VRs still happening elsewhere and some even being refused. Anyone confirm or just rumours.

VR still open for AME's

Griffin,
I emailed my major fears re QF's future to my Federal MP last year.
After a week or so of no response I rang his office. Spoke with one of his staff who checked and confirmed that yes their office had indeed received my email.

Informed him that I'd had no response. Guess what? Never bothered to even acknowledge my email let alone respond to it.

He is a member of the Libs. Happy to post his name.
LD

So What this is a common Practice all over now Its wrong but what can you do .

You can join a real union that will run it's own candidates against these Wally's. When they ask for your preferences you could say something like - Well are you going to answer my f***en email now?

JG
I was supporting ampclamp's post that you wont do better with either side of the political fence when it comes to aviation.

I've had acknowledgments of my contact at the very least on other matters from elsewhere.

Not hard at all to send out a standard template "thank you very much for your email (even if I am going to now carefully place it in the round filing cabinet)". Even Pollies with limited skull juice know that totally ignoring communication from your constituents isnt a very smart ploy.
LD

PM in Geelong for Ford,not Avalon.

That's ok according to Avalons Justin Giddings and todays Geelong Advertiser The Grand Plan for Avalon is Thousands of jobs around 2031 yes that's right 2031 ! So Don't Hold your Breath.:mad::ugh: Its Over.

PM for Ford,must be due all AWU members.ALAEA not supporting labor so PM don't care

Forstaff Managers had a meeting off site in the the past week 2 topics were discussed more bad news & finding a way to bring in some people on short term contracts due to having sacked to many staff.
What a Debacle.:ok:

Bad news/ short term contracts
 

Bad news, rumor has it, is that we have too many avionics staff.

Short term contracts, rumor has it, is we don't have enough structures staff.

Management looking for trade off. Overall numbers to stay the same but adjust avionics and structures numbers.