SYD ATC 2nd December
 

Anyone know what was going on with ATC on Sunday afternoon?

No weather at the airport all day. Sunday afternoon reduced traffic to begin with.
Notam goes out for 45 min traffic holding. People holding for 60mins, diversions, Min Fuel calls, departures held, all goes pear shaped.

Heard no explanation as to why such a shambolic situation occurred given that people were doing visual approaches most of the day.

Given airlines are paying for a service that performance was nowhere near acceptable.:=
The guys at the coalface do the best with what they have, but I suspect that more resources need to be spent on manpower and not building Ivory Towers.

Since when are Airlines and what they are paying for a consideration? It's not what ASA management can do for aviation, it's what ASA management can do for ASA management! Herr Russell is a prime robust example.

Shhhhhh, please don't mention resources, it's a dirty word. Now if you mentioned lobster and truffles with the Minister, additional mid-level bureaucrats, international conferences, stall tactics, postulation and incompetence then you would see the Execs scuttle and race to the nearest trough! But don't worry, next years budget will no doubt include funding for an additional 1.02 Controllers!!

I heard the chaos on the radio as we pushed back in Sydney. Couldn't understand the fuss. The weather was fine, windy but straight down 16. There was very little ground traffic, and we departed as soon as we called ready. Possibly the fastest departure from Sydney! Seemed awfully quiet on the ground!

Very odd.

Our Ops said staff shortages.

Held for 45mins and landed on 16L and expected to see chaos on the ground. Actually it was pretty much dead in a sydney sense. Expected to also see a trail a mile long for both runways but no one else landed on 16L in the time we taxied back past B8. Listening to the company freq. we could still hear plenty of aircraft doing laps.
Not sure what the problem was. If it was a staff shortage, be good if it was advised so that we are all in the loop.

Ya gotta love Australian ATC...

SYD has been a mess all week for arrivals.

ASA should really get the **** in order.:ugh:

ZK-ZQA Double QF44 Melbourne Diversion
 

From the Qantas Source:

Surely a 737 would be able to divert somewhere closer than Melbourne?

Canberra? Williamtown / Newcastle? Even Richmond comes to mind.

Can one get a clearance into Richmond at very short notice late at night?

If one lobs into Richmond or Willy are there steps? Where are the pax going to be put up? Are there staff there to meet 'n greet the pax and/or aeroplane. I suspect MEL was a much easier logistical answer.

It's normally a dogs dinner if you take an international flight into an aerodrome that isn't used to it. Does Jetconnect have engineers and ground staff at those other ports? Is it their company SOP to carry those ports as alternates? I doubt it but I could be mistaken.
If the delays were unforecast and as bad as how they are being reported then ASA needs a rocket. How can a safety critical outfit operate so close to the bone?

Yep, somethins up for sure. Holding patterns and/or orbits followed by max speed descent/cancel speed below 10. It's been a shambles most of the week.

...and can someone explain why we no longer hear "behind the landing xxx, line up rwyXX"?

something about stop bars
Wonder where they heard that from? Maybe one day Airservices can be as honest as Eurocontrol (yes, Europeans know how to spell 'staff shortages' without coughing up foie gras all over their Armani suits).

Thanks Claret,

All good points. What I had in mind was more re the first diversion to Melbourne; my thinking being that if the aircraft had been closer, it could have recovered to Sydney more quickly and so made the curfew.

Unloading at any of the airfields I mentioned would've been difficult as it was an international flight and those fields don't have customs facilities. And it's also true that the JC drivers would've been more familiar with MEL than the others.

The broader point is of course the pedantic application of the curfew. :ugh:

Thanks guys

Did you consider Canberra??? ATC and RFF don't close till midnight and it would have saved 80 mins flying time too.

Maybe the lights in CBR Airport were on but no QF staff were home!! ( so to speak!!! )

Then again all they need are the refueler and some steps surely?? Lob in and out quick as a flash in a 737.....

A thread on RVSM contingency procedures ( nice input there Nitpicker) has a link to a website called Webtracker, I'd never seen it before, it's great. I looked up the approach in question to see how accurate the " missed out by seconds " quote was. It was pretty accurate! They got down to 1089 feet before climbing out. The interesting thing to me is that they commenced the miss at 1059:01 .
If they did maybe 700fpm for the last part of the approach that means they missed out by only about 20 seconds. Seems a bit crazy to me in that the go around would have made a lot more noise than continuing to land.

RIC and WLM dont have customs. I am assuming that it was just a land and refuel at MEL, so no they are not viable options.

CBR hasn't got Customs (yet) either.

Canberra is on the list of approved international airports as an alternate.

QF use Canberra as an alternate. Don't know why Jet Connect can't/didn't.

Why I couldn't understand about Sunday was why traffic could not be pushed through. People were holding in/around storms whilst the weather at the airport was fine.

The link above to "Qantas Source " shows two QF 737's diverted to Canberra at about the same time that night. I imagine if the JC aircraft had the fuel then QF may have preferred them in Melbourne because of that. At the end of the day it doesn't matter why they went there really, what matters is the cost to Australia of ASA dropping the ball and not landing aircraft when the airfield was open.
Is anyone going to stand up and say " yeah that was crap, we'll do better next month" .