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joblogs1 4th Dec 2012 09:27

Framer l totally agree there has gotta be some sort of exemption for an aircraft that is short final and has to go around. The noise abaitment rules seem to be far more important than the safety of the a/c and pax , not to mention the extra 3 ton of fuel burnt back to mel.. Sick of holding for 20 min Then cancell speed below ten . Turn in early to intercept and slow down Then hold speed for as long as possible while trying to be stable. My two cents..enjoy

HF3000 4th Dec 2012 11:06

Sigh... sounds like another job for Sen X. What a busy man.

HF3000 4th Dec 2012 11:09

On another note, why would anyone even think of flying into SYD without 45 minutes holding fuel?

TwoFiftyBelowTen 4th Dec 2012 12:04

As I understand it, SYD ATC is stretched for staffing resources. They ROSTER "understaffing" on Sunday to be able to use their scant staff on busier weekdays. One position they might have do do away with for periods is FLOW. When there are weather diversions the predictability of landing times is more difficult. if there is no FLOW to roll with the punches and keep optimising the sequence as a result of diversions they have to utilize a fairly loose arrival gap to give approach a fighting chance to deal with what they are dealt. Inevitably there are suddenly opportunities for delayed aircraft to fill gaps because others divert and are late for their assigned landing times. This is when we might get "Increase speed, cancel speed below Ten" etc after a holding delay. The major issue is understaffing, and overtime fatigue for those that are there and who are fed up with being called in to work on days-off to prop up the system.

HF3000 4th Dec 2012 12:22

Noted. Increasing my standard fuel order to SYD to 60 mins holding.

cattledog 5th Dec 2012 00:19

250below10

:D :D: :D

newsensation 5th Dec 2012 05:01

Its all about staff shortages, i also understand the traffic holding from ATC exceeded what was required via the notam for awhile...
maybe the airlines should sue ASA for their increased costs :ugh:

Jack Ranga 5th Dec 2012 09:23

'Request direct Honey, happy to descend octa'

'Track direct to CB, expect visual approach RWY 35, cancel all speed restrictions'

Gold, took me back to the 'good ole days' :cool:

Oriana 5th Dec 2012 23:10

And then there was yesterday.:ugh:

framer 6th Dec 2012 05:56

What happened yesterday?

ejectx3 6th Dec 2012 09:28

Another boat of Sri Lankans arrived

Nautilus Blue 6th Dec 2012 23:25

ASA's new CEO speaking in this months Australian Aviation about similar snafu at SY on 21st Oct.

"I'm confident that what occurred in this instance was the exception rather than the rule."

Plus ça change... :ugh:

Jack Ranga 6th Dec 2012 23:33

I reproduce from another site one of the best summations of the appointment of another CEO cut from the same cloth:

'Brief moment of cautious optimism squashed, back to cynical disengagement. Thanks Gregaret.'

Absolute gold mate :ok::D

cattledog 7th Dec 2012 01:05

That is GOLD
:D :D

Keg 7th Dec 2012 01:56

I was going to play 'buzz word bingo' on that piece in Aus Aviation with the ASA CEO but it wasn't even a challenge. It lasted about two paragraphs. Talk about using all the fancy words to say bugger all. I hope she's better at her job than she is at making the spin sound believable.

neville_nobody 7th Dec 2012 03:52

Not sure of another industry where such poor performance by suppliers would be tolerated. Joys of being a monopoly I guess

Oxyoxyoxy oi oi oi 7th Dec 2012 08:07

As one of those doling out the holding during the rebacles™ of the last week, I would like to say kudos to the crews involved.

I have had nothing but ultra professional responses.

There have been diversions to alternates, emergency fuel declarations, exteeeended holding, and it has all been conducted without a hint of the frustration that the crews must be feeling.

SALUTE!

Mstr Caution 7th Dec 2012 09:51

As instructed by the company you can delay APU start till approaching the gate, shutdown the APU during a 40 minute transit, stay on ground power till 5 minutes to push, meet the COBT for departure to Sydney then fly an efficient altitude and speed schedule.

Then blow 3 ton of fuel out the tailpipe holding at CULIN for 45 minutes on a CAVOK day.

Passengers miss connecting flights, crew & airframes are under utilised.

I would say Sydney airport is a joke 24/7, but it's closed 7 hours a day.

scrubba 8th Dec 2012 07:58

Onya Jack
 
I wonder what sort of timeframe you expect a new CEO to be able to see through the crap and abandon the advice of the managers and PR people who were trained to a reportedly Hitleresque regime standard? You complain about the amount of time that the rot has been going on but somehow expect instant excision and attitude change - best of luck!

spelling_nazi 8th Dec 2012 09:41

Oxyoxyoxy I'd like to claim it is professionalism but it's actually resignation .


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