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Zapatas Blood 23rd May 2012 19:45

the 787 was a great concept on cheap oil. The 380 is a great concept on expensive oil.

Take a look at history. hub busting and frequency both decline with $$$ oil.

The 380 will be better suited to the $300 plus oil we will be soon seeing.

QF94 24th May 2012 06:00


One flight per day with 500+ pax with maybe one or two intermediate stops and a crushed check-in and waiting area at both end terminals
Who operates them at that capacity? QF certainly doesn't, with only about 40 extra pax than a 744. I don't believe EK or SQ operate anywhere near the 500 pax. Not if they're wanting to have all the creature comforts of individual "suites" and extra roomy comfort for their passengers.

noip 24th May 2012 07:07


with only about 40 extra pax than a 744
A misleading statement.

For equivalent configurations, the A380 has about 130 pax more than the 744.

744ER 317
A380 450

Now this is a premium config. But if we go with the 744 two class of just over 400, you will still have the same relativity of about 150+ additional pax on the A380.


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another superlame 24th May 2012 08:03

OQD is Manila as we type, getting a rub and tug to put in about 40 extra seats.
Over the next 12 months all dugongs will get it.
They remove the last zone in bizzo, move premo cattle into that zone and add a few seats.
Then add more cattle seats into the old premo zone. As well as removing a galley and lav from the main deck and adding a few seats in their place. I think the new config comes in just below 490 seats. Not 555 like airbus wanted but better that what it had.

gobbledock 24th May 2012 12:40

Safety considerations
 
So all these changes that Joyce has commissioned, a lot of talk about business units, money, structure, money money money.

I see no mention of some more important aspects such as;
1) What considerations did the executives give to potential impacts on safety?
2) What aspects of safety or risks were identified during the restructure process?
3) Are QF following a change management process?
4) What changes in the safety system will now occur, and has planning for this been actioned?
5) Is the Regulator satisfied that all new senior positions are being undertaken by individuals who have adequate safety knowledge and experience?

You see the promotion of accountants, former financial consultants and the like does nothing to instill a measure of safety comfort in me.
And what about CASA? They of course have to approve these structural changes. Obviously they are most satisfied with this change within the QF AOC? One can only assume that the Regulator is most satisfied with the restructure, appointment of new key people and new organizational structure?
And what about Albo, is he happy?

The The 24th May 2012 13:31

Letters are going out! Would you like to cash in your Long Service Leave?

Tidying up the balance sheet for a sale?

dizzylizzy 24th May 2012 19:09

Strong rumours were floating about a week or two previous to this about "an announcement that very few people will like" - coming from ExCo during an appearance in Perth.

Captain Gidday 24th May 2012 19:47

ExCo?
 
Where did this ridiculous ExCo thing come from? Seems to be popping up all over recently. If you ask me, it can stand for Executive Coterie.


coterie [ˈkəʊtərɪ]n
a small exclusive group of friends or people with common interests; clique
Fits exactly.

Keg 24th May 2012 21:23


Letters are going out! Would you like to cash in your Long Service Leave?
Ah yes. Let's increase the loss for international whilst it serves our political purposes. :ugh: Rather than have a 10 year master plan, I'm more convinced than ever that this mob just makes it up as they go along.

Sunfish 24th May 2012 21:53

I detect a private equity bid. It will be timed to execute before the next election so that Julia Gillard, etc. are powerless to stop it. They tried it at $5.70 and they will try again below $1.50.

For Jamie Packer, it gets foreign punters to the Casinos he wants to build all over the country.

In fact the gambling could start on the aircraft when its wheels up.

teresa green 24th May 2012 22:37

I am with you Sunfish. QF International is on the market. Keep domestic, and then bring in JQ as the new International airline for this country. Plain as the nose on your face. Was always going to be as Dixon handed over to Joyce. One would hope they will pick more viable companies than the last two choices of Dixon, one has gone broke, the other struggling. Vale QF, you deserve better than this, this is not what all former staff and management who worked so hard to make you what you were. If only, if only, Borgetti had got the job, QF would be starting to hum by now, instead its only a matter of time before it joins TAA and Ansett into the dustbin. Beautiful airlines destroyed by bean counters and management. I could weep.

Captain Gidday 24th May 2012 22:53


The 380 will be better suited to the $300 plus oil we will be soon seeing.
Zappie. When the A380 was being designed, late 1990s, crude oil was $US15 - $US20 per barrel. This is the future [!] and oil is now five to six times as expensive, which would have been at the high end of expectations back then. If it takes oil to be nearly 20 times as high as it was when you were designing something to make that something viable in the market place, then there are some serious problems with the modelling.

Keg. Cashing in LSL might not be a bad deal for people with large amounts, instead of getting assigned 14 days LSL every Bid Period, when you don't want it. At least you get something of value, instead of being sent on forced vacation one quarter of your life.

Sunfish. Packer would want an airline? Why? He doesn't know anything about running an airline. :) Seriously, though, you'd reckon the scarring he got from the last foray would still not have healed yet. But these guys do have thick hides, it seems.

V-Jet 24th May 2012 23:33

My guess is along Sunfish's lines.

They have bled Longhaul dry and in any case are hopelessly out of their depth and run out of ideas/cash to do anything with it. This is an act of desperation.

Flog it and leave it for the sharks to do with it what they will.

Very doubleplusungood.

UPPERLOBE 24th May 2012 23:41

Qantas and the uncertainties in its great divide | Plane Talking

hewlett 24th May 2012 23:46

What of the employees in the new structure / potential sale? Engineering (whats left), reportedly to follow Strambi to the domestic branch. What will private equity get for its cash?

27/09 24th May 2012 23:55

The Qantas restructure - Do these words fit anywhere? Burns - Fiddles - Rome

blow.n.gasket 25th May 2012 02:12

It will be most interesting, nay, telling, as to what occurs, by just observing where all the flight ops Management types scurry to, in order to save their own hide.:E

teresa green 25th May 2012 02:24

My guess is Gasket, that the CP of JQ will suddenly finding he is sharing his seat. And not by one.

Keg 25th May 2012 03:44


It will be most interesting, nay, telling, as to what occurs, by just observing where all the flight ops Management types scurry to, in order to save their own hide.
More likely they're going to be scurrying for promotion. Chief Pilot Domestic. Head of Flight Operations Domestic, Head of Training Domestic, Head of Audit Domestic, etc, etc. I can picture a bunch of people in there tidying up their resumes already.

Meanwhile, at the coal face, everything changes and nothing changes. :ugh: :{

Toruk Macto 25th May 2012 03:47

Would it be possible to work for domestic and consult for international ?


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