PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific (https://www.pprune.org/australia-new-zealand-pacific-90/)
-   -   Albanese does nothing on Sydney Airports (https://www.pprune.org/australia-new-zealand-pacific/478817-albanese-does-nothing-sydney-airports.html)

Frank Arouet 29th Mar 2012 23:16

GD;


before he gets sh#t canned by the Australian voters
The sad and sorry fact is the good folk of Marrickville will probably vote him in again, such is the electorate. His one genuine merit is as Leader of Business in The House which he does admirably. And to the frustration of Abbott & Co.

The best one can hope for, is he may "do an Anna Bligh" after he is vindicated on his stand for Rudd and his firm belief that Gillard can't and won't win the next election.

Pinky the pilot 30th Mar 2012 01:56


Well it's official nothing is going to happen.
Sadly Nev,I think you're right. I'm trying to remember just for how many years this sorry excuse for a project has been around. I saw a photo recently of the then Minister for whatever, Bob Collins posing with a shovel beside a sign announcing the 'new airport.'

How many enquiries/reports etc have been carried out since then? And to what purpose other than prevaricating on the issue whilst appearing to be doing something.:*


Frankly, I hope it never gets built and Sydney chokes on its own traffic
You'll probably get your wish Sunfish. :( Possibly even Adelaide may benefit as well.:hmm:

Flyer517 30th Mar 2012 02:56

Don't For Get The Missus...
 
Albanese's wife's electorate is right under the flightpath too from memory. No way the movement cap or curfew is ever going to be changed while they are in politics.

TIMA9X 30th Mar 2012 03:35


No way the movement cap or curfew is ever going to be changed while they are in politics.
It appears the same can be said for all of our airports, just check the comparisons..



Park and pay: Australia's most costly airports



http://images.smh.com.au/2011/12/12/...anes-420x0.jpg Melbourne airport sucks the most cash out of customers. Photo: Craig Abraham

Brisbane Airport is Australia's most expensive for parking, but Melbourne's Tullamarine sucks the most money from consumers - $114.6 million last financial year.
The competition watchdog's annual survey on how the airports in the five mainland state capitals are performing also reveals that airlines' satisfaction with the quality of service in Melbourne fell more than 20 per cent last year.
The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission chairman Rod Sims stressed, as he released this year's report, that while his commission monitors the airports it has no power to regulate their charges or service levels.
Advertisement: Story continues below
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/03/30/...king-420x0.jpg Car parking prices

"Monitoring does not restrict them from increasing prices, or degrading service standards, to earn monopoly profits," said Mr Sims.
As most airport visitors know from the strain to their wallets, it is parking where they are most in the grip of the airports.
The five airports took in more than $300 million from renting parking spaces last year, keeping $230 million of it as profit.
Melbourne's $87 million carparking profit, aided by the fact that it has 22,400 parking spaces, was more than the combined earnings of Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane.
About one in every five dollars of revenue generated at Melbourne airport comes from parking - easily the highest ratio of any airport in the country.
Sydney airport generates the most money from each of its 12,300 parking spaces - almost $8000 a year, of which $5600 is profit. Brisbane is earning more than $6100 for each spot, and Melbourne is next on $5100.
Brisbane's ranking probably stems from the fact that it charges the highest fees, with a seven-day long term parking space slugging customers $140. In Sydney, a similar stint would set you back $122 and in Perth $88.
On the short-term side, the first hour charge of $15 in Sydney is the most expensive, but Adelaide takes the award for ratcheting up its fees the most. There, the first hour costs only $4, but if you stay for more than 8 hours it costs $30. Melbourne and Sydney's daily parking rates top out at $52.

It really is getting out of control across the nation... meanwhile, Albo & Co are still preoccupied with the Queensland election results...


Kharon 30th Mar 2012 04:48

2 punter options
 

Albo –
"I went to Qld 22 times last year".
Yup, that did the job – spot on as it happens.


Macbeth:
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Life of Brian.
MC Aaaaw, well, all right then. You can see him for one minute, but not one second more. Do you understand?
Crowd Yes.
MC Promise?
Crowd Well, All Right.
MC All right. Here he is then. Come on, Brian. Come and talk to them.
Brian But mum. Judith.
MC Now leave that welsh tart alone.--------[She drags him out to address the crowd
Exit stage left, scratching head and muttering dark mumblings.

Frank Arouet 30th Mar 2012 05:34

Arrgh! yes. Carmel Tebbutt and Albo. The King and Queen of Marrickville.

Again from Wiki: Carmel Tebbutt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sarcs 30th Mar 2012 05:51

Maybe there is method to "Albo's" madness! See Ben's latest here:
Govt crackdown saving frequent flyers $$$$ | Plane Talking :D But "K" it's still all bollocks!:ok:

neville_nobody 31st Mar 2012 10:36

This article alone should justify a new airport.

No new terminals, plenty of holding and a airport unable to cope once we get a bit of weather. Yet they manage to pat themselves on the back because they went from poor to satisfactory..........only took 12 years to do it AND they have the hide to jack up the cost of operating at the airport.

Pity the ACCC doesn't do more than state the bleeding obvious.


SYDNEY Airport has lifted its quality of service rating from poor to satisfactory for the first time since the consumer watchdog began monitoring the aeronautical industry 12 years ago.
But the chairman of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, Rod Sims, said the level of service at the country's busiest airport remained a concern.
''Airlines' ratings of Sydney airport's quality of service improved to satisfactory in the most recent period,'' the commission's report said. ''While this is a positive sign, it follows reports of unsatisfactory service standards over many years which, when considered alongside continually increasing prices and profits, raised cause for concern about the airport's performance.''
Advertisement: Story continues below
Sydney Airport recorded the highest number of passengers of any Australian airport, with 36.3 million people passing through the arrival and departure gates in 2010-11. The airport also recorded the highest revenue of $524.8 million. Revenue from car parking alone topped $98 million for the period.
The ACCC rates the country's five biggest international airports' quality of service by surveying airlines, passengers and border agencies. Aspects examined in the report card include the availability and standard of check-in facilities used by the airlines and surveys of passengers' experiences when passing through security screening points.
Mr Sims said because passengers' perceptions of their experiences at airports could also be coloured by the level of service provided by their airline and their treatment by customs and immigration officers, the airlines' ratings gave a more accurate picture of an airport's quality of service.
Sydney Airport's overall rating for service was 3.66 out of 5 - the lowest of all five airports - while the rating airlines gave the airport was even lower, at 3.15. Only Perth recorded a poorer airline rating than Sydney.
A statement issued by Sydney Airport's chief executive, Kerrie Mather, yesterday said the company took service quality seriously. ''[We] were pleased that we achieved our highest ratings in many years. We anticipate that our recent introduction of regular, internal service monitoring will further improve our service quality,'' the statement said.
Sydney Airport still has the highest hourly rate for car parking in the country, but Ms Mather noted it was one of only two airports in the country that did not increase parking rates over the 2010-2011 period.
Mr Sims said it was interesting to note that with the exception of Melbourne Airport, which had undergone a considerable re-investment in services over the period, all other airports' revenues had continued to increase at a significantly greater rate than their operating expenses, despite the global financial crisis and a number of natural disasters which had hit the airlines hard.
There was a suggestion that airlines were in fact insulating the airports' risks and returns over the past few years, he said.
While monitoring was limited in its scope to make a detailed assessment of an airports' overall performance and could not be used to conclusively establish whether the airports' had earned monopoly profits, Mr Sims said the ACCC had ''observed outcomes that would be expected of unconstrained monopolies''


Read more: Airport lifts its game but not enough to please ACCC

Aus ATC 1st Apr 2012 10:32

I've never understood why Richmond doesn't get a run as a potential civil site. Has a distinct advantage of actually having an airport there to start with.....

Going Boeing 1st Apr 2012 12:04


I've never understood why Richmond doesn't get a run as a potential civil site. Has a distinct advantage of actually having an airport there to start with.....
RAAF Richmond has a 7000' East/West runway with the City of Richmond at one end and the City of Windsor at the other end - extremely noise sensitive and unable to extend the runway to make it suitable for medium/long haul operations. Also, it has a lot more fog issues than Mascot - not a suitable location for another Civil airport.

Also, the RAAF has had a gutful of the demands being placed on it by airlines (Jetstar, etc) since they opened RAAF Williamstown to joint military/civil operations. It is impacting on the RAAF's operations and they would like to go back to a purely military operation. There's no way that they will open up another RAAF base to joint ops. If there is a need/demand for additional civil airfields, it's up to the civil operations to fund the infrastructure - not rely on the military to provide it for them.

newsensation 2nd Apr 2012 02:36

The RAAF dont own Williamtown Airport, it is the most cost effective place to have a second Airport for NSW.

moa999 2nd Apr 2012 02:49

Williamtown.

Cost effective, apart from the fog

"The Hunter Valley successfully produces some of the thickest fog in the country.
It restricts drivers' vision dramatically especially in the autumn and winter.
Fog usually begins forming at midnight. On average 90 per cent of fog clouds lift by 9am."
Pea souper rolls in as Hunter pollution levels rise - Local News - News - General - Maitland Mercury

And the topography between Sydney and Newcastle would probably make a VFT prohibitively expensive.

Lucerne 2nd Apr 2012 03:43

Orange Airport has just received a $25M upgrade approval to cope with 737 size aircraft. I think that would be an ideal supplementary airport with spoke transport logistics in place.

Frank Arouet 2nd Apr 2012 04:19

Who paid $25 million for an upgrade of Orange Airport?

Alice Springs has better "spoke transport logistics" in place than Orange.

Lucerne 2nd Apr 2012 04:32

The NSW Government paid the $25M although there may also have been a federal contribution to that sum.

I could not agree that Alice Springs has a better spoke transport infrastructure than Orange. That is ludicrous.

Frank Arouet 2nd Apr 2012 05:12

Your'e talking about an airport that "perhaps" has the pavement strength to handle a 737. I'll bet the cash went on X-Ray machines and fences.

Coffs Harbour can handle a 737. I've flown there regularly by those means. It's got trains, bus terminals and hotels. How would either cope with an A380?

The $25 million wouldn't have come from The NSW Govt, they are BROKE having inherited a significant burden from past incumbants. One can guess it has come via the taxpayer, (of which I am one), and possibly as a result of DOT/CASA infrastructure handouts from their mountains of cash gathered by a oft used catch cry, "SAFETY".

As for Alice Springs, it's closer to Perth than Orange. It's closer to Adelaide than Orange, and it's closer to Darwin than Orange.

Exactly where do the spokes that radiate from Orange go in the International sense?

newsensation 2nd Apr 2012 05:37

I seem to remember Parks airport wanted to be the Freight Operations Airport, with a distribution centre from there... that would reduce some of the traffic/noise into Sydney Airport and surrounding suburbs

Lucerne 2nd Apr 2012 06:02

Yes, Parkes would also be an extremely viable option to which freight could be diverted. Unfortunately this has not received government support.

Lucerne 2nd Apr 2012 06:10

Alice Springs may be closer to Perth and Adelaide although that doesn't qualify it as being an appropriate supplementary airport to Sydney as it is geographically one thousand times the distance from Sydney that Orange is.

The bulk of the $25M did come from the NSW Government through re-allocation out of other projects. This occurred because the current NSW Government does realise that NSW does not stand for "Sydney, Newcastle and Wollongong".

A high proportion of the funding was also allocated by Newcrest, a local Mining company. This was a result of Newcrest's need to facilitate high capacity aircraft into Orange for crew transfers.

Lucerne 2nd Apr 2012 06:13

The pavement at Orange will be upgraded and significantyly extended so it won't be a "perhaps" situation. The transport spokes out of Orange are very strong back to Sydney as that's where the traffic is supplemantary to.


All times are GMT. The time now is 15:53.


Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.