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Albanese does nothing on Sydney Airports
So what's going to happen now? No second airport no expansion for YSSY.
No wonder we are forever holding given no one in charge can actually made a decision or at least agree on a course of action. The study shows Sydney Airport is already struggling to accommodate the demand for flights into and out of the city Badgerys Creek is clearly the best site for a much-needed second airport for Sydney, a major government study has found. The study also recommends lifting the movement cap at Sydney Airport from 80 to 85 flights an hour. The Transport Minister, Anthony Albanese, this morning released the joint study into aviation capacity for the Sydney region, which was commissioned more than two years ago. The study shows Sydney Airport is already struggling to accommodate the demand for flights into and out of the city and, by 2027, the airport will not be able to fit any extra flights. By 2030, the study shows, another airport is needed if Sydney is to keep growing at its current pace. Releasing the report, Mr Albanese repeated the government's position it would not build an airport at Badgerys Creek, the south-west Sydney site acquired for an airport between 1986 and 1991. But the study nevertheless describes the area as the logical and most cost-effective site for another airport. "It is located close to growing markets in the western regions of Sydney and close to road and rail transport links," the report said. "In turn, it would provide much needed employment and economic opportunities for the growing residential population of western Sydney. "The site has been protected from encroaching development and given that the Commonwealth owns the land it would be less costly and disruptive to the community as a development site than other options." But Mr Albanese instead said the government would begin planning studies for the second-best airport site, Wilton, further to the south-west. The report, prepared by state and federal bureaucrats as well as private sector representatives, said Wilton would probably not attract enough business to be viable before 2030. Wilton would become a more attractive airport option if Sydney's future growth extended to the south-west, past Leppington. Mr Albanese invited representatives from the NSW government to release the report with him but they declined. The Premier, Barry O'Farrell, has already said he opposes a second airport anyway in the Sydney basin. Mr O'Farrell has suggested using Canberra Airport, linked to Sydney by high speed rail, as an alternative. But today's report, more than 3000 pages long, says that is not a feasible option. Mr Albanese also ruled out lifting the movement cap at Sydney Airport from 80 to 85. Read more: Minister rejects Badgerys Creek for second airport |
According to a paid panel of government experts they will be powered by a bloody great wind turbine on the roof which will generate electricity and it will then fly on perpetual motion. (once it's started that is). See the same for high speed rail links after the tunnels are modified.:)
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Memo to all airport and airspace consultants: don't consider retiring anytime soon. your skills will be in demand for some years to come.
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Dump the curfew, and screw the residents who chose to live nearby.
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Recognise that jets today are significantly quieter then they were when the curfew rules were drawn up !!
Ahhh....There's nothing like the sound of three JT8D's on a B727 cackling as they do a full-power takeoff on a cold, still morning :D :D :D !! ST |
Gotta love the whispering T Jet :D:D:D
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Gotta love the whispering T Jet :D:D:D The whole problem with parliamentary democracy is that none of the erky little MPs we pay ****eloads of money to wants to get voted out. People who hear that an airport/motorway/dam/prison is being planned for their area tend to vote their local MP out after a long, noisy and damaging campaign against the Big Bad Government who's Trampling Their Rights. In SE Queensland this phenomenon has stymied a major dam project and a second road between Brisbane and the Gold Coast, because any MP in the firing line of these two projects got ousted. Guess what... no pollie since then has gone near roads or dams, despite a serious lack of both. :ugh:No doubt every person here can point to a couple of planned (and needed) developments in their area that had the same result. So...a new airport; what's in it for the MPs? People in unaffected seats are probably not going to turn around and say 'Yay! New airport! We'll vote for that'! It's not a big, short term vote winner like a hospital because most voters aren't aware of Sydney's limitations. People in affected seats are going to be preparing banners, bumper stickers and Fookbook campaign sites, so all the MP will get is bad karma in those areas and indifference in the others. Only when the airport really jams up will our esteemed leaders start looking around at the industry with big, wide eyes saying 'What can we doooo :sad:? No-one told us this would happen'! and expecting a whole airport that can be produced from scratch and built in week. :ugh: |
The lack of political will in this country is disgusting.
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Sydney does not need another airport NSW does so develop Newcastle and Canberra and put the billions of dollars saved into road and rail links.
If the RAAF have a problem move them to central Australia. |
Politicians and their behavior in general are disgusting. Aviation has always been a poor cousin and will continue to be.
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There should only be one International "Hub" in Australia at Alice Springs. This would be run by The Pitinjarra Tribe and Taxpayers would foot the bill.
Internal travel is then via "spokes" from that "hub" which operate the Domestic Fleet. This also would provide a revenue stream for both The Pitinjarra Tribe, The ATO and CASA, all who desperately need the cash. Sydney movements would reduce by one third, (or one fifth if we apply the same rules as we apply to The Australian Senate), and those States not pulling their share would have their GST funding reduced accordingly. Minister Albo will be pleased with my input as it impacts favourably on his electorate, (which is all that matters to him.... Oh and fighting Tories), and the spider tracks will be clear for all to see thus removing the need for ADSB below FL290. Seems pretty clear to me.:ok: |
Albanese does nothing on Sydney Airports Australia, land of the visonary politician and aviation infrastructure :ok: |
Given that it was a joint report, albeit agreed to by the previous state government then clearly the NSW Government should have been represented by The Hon. Brad Hazzard BA, DipEd, LLB(NSW), LLM(Syd) MP, Minister for Planning and Infrastructure, Minister Assisting the Premier on Infrastructure NSW.
It was disappointing to have such a definitive (and defiant) position was adopted upfront - "the curfew and the cap at Sydney Airport will be maintained". One of the key issues at the moment is that Minister Albanese has distorted the application of the cap. Legislation clearly indicates scheduled movements not actual movements, that is, Airport Coordination Australia (ACA) allocates no more than 80 planned movements in any 60 minute period (checked at 15 minute intervals). This has been changed by Minister Albanese to actual movements (vs scheduled movements) and the airport has introduced measures to count aircraft and at times, hold aircraft at the holding point, that is, not permit an aircraft to get airborne if the 80 figure would be exceeded. Now you've been the Federal Transport Minister for over four years now. As the Member for Grayndler, would you have wanted to have made more progress on locking in a second airport by now? Did you think your constituents would have wanted you to? Perhaps the reporter should have asked "You have been the Member for Grayndler for 16 years and the Minister for Infrastructure and Transport for 4 years, surely, there is a conflict of interest whereby you continue to place the interests of your local constituency ahead of the National interest." |
Australia's traditional conga line of dud Transport Ministers continues
One of the key issues at the moment is that Minister Albanese has distorted the application of the cap. Legislation clearly indicates scheduled movements not actual movements, that is, Airport Coordination Australia (ACA) allocates no more than 80 planned movements in any 60 minute period (checked at 15 minute intervals). This has been changed by Minister Albanese to actual movements (vs scheduled movements) and the airport has introduced measures to count aircraft and at times, hold aircraft at the holding point, that is, not permit an aircraft to get airborne if the 80 figure would be exceeded. oker89 said, The lack of political will in this country is disgusting. Perhaps the reporter should have asked Quote: "You have been the Member for Grayndler for 16 years and the Minister for Infrastructure and Transport for 4 years, surely, there is a conflict of interest whereby you continue to place the interests of your local constituency ahead of the National interest." I think this video sums up the the talentless politicians we have to endure.. it's all me, me me stuff.....(for those who haven't seen it) |
Does anyone have a lat and long for the proposed Wilton site of a new airport. The only flat area around Wilton houses the multi billion dollar development Bingara Gorge or land owned by the Australian Rail Track Corp for the Maldon to Dombarton heavy freight rail line.
Are thes pollies on another planet? |
Photos, diagrams on Plane Talking
Plane Talking has used Google Earth to provide all of that data and done a series of posts digging into the airport issues including the huge graded separation interchange at Glenfield station which seems to anticipate a fast rail link between KSA and BAD gerry's but which nobody seems to have noticed in the papers.
Sydney Airport diemma posed by Wilton site | Plane Talking The graphics show where 3000 houses are now being built at Wilton. |
Perhaps the reporter should have asked Quote: "You have been the Member for Grayndler for 16 years and the Minister for Infrastructure and Transport for 4 years, surely, there is a conflict of interest whereby you continue to place the interests of your local constituency ahead of the National interest." With the current tight numbers situation in parliament, it's unlikely that Gillard will pull him into line as the last thing she can afford is for him ( or any other member) to lose their seat. That's why we will not receive any National infrastructure growth ... if it impinges on an ALP-held seat. IF Gillard was serious about looking after Australia's interest, she could consider moving more portfolios to Senators ... a la Carr. Then she might be able to get some things done and not, seriously, affect sitting Members. |
Major transport infrastructure really needs to be handled by a separate independent non political committee. That way something will get done. However noone is willing to surrender the power to make that happen. As a result we get our current mess which I am sure suits Mac Bank just fine.
Funnily enough Yes Minister did a whole show on Integrated Trasnport policies back in the early 80's. Nothing has changed since then..........and nothing ever will. Which is a sad indictment on our form of governance. Jim Hacker: "And after all, we do need a Transport Policy." Sir Humphrey: "If by 'we' you mean Britain that is perfectly true, but if by 'we' you mean me and you and this department, we need a Transport Policy like an aperture in the cranial cavity." |
If the RAAF have a problem move them to central Australia. |
Wilton for the New Sydney Airport
The MANS study [Major Airport Needs Sydney] of mid 1980's is the document/ reference to look for in this. Wilton site was around 10km east of freeway (from the freeway/ Picton Road intersection) on the Picton road towards Wollongong - and around 25km)
The Wilton site (centre is approx.-34.259912, 150.694656) , which provides a freeway access to Western Sydney (Sydney Airport is 71 km by freeway and Liverpool 51km and 31 mins - imagine a fast train down the centre of the freeway joining to the inter-urban system!!) It was part of an old 2nd world war site on the top of the range. Certainly bears a second look Mr. Fumble-ese!! |
Albo , The great left winger and blubberer , Gillard should have taken his resignation but leffties stick together. Both are a disgrace to a once proud ALP. Cannot cop all the lies and spin , was once a loyal foot soldier but not now
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Is not this site in the 'catchment' area of the Cataract Dam?
(Req'd for SY water supply...) It looks as if the Electricity supply is quite close though....close enough to require re-routing? And YWBN would be......:uhoh:. :ok: |
Oh don't yell!! You'll make him cry again......:E
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You all know that politicians of today are weak and have no integrity. They blatantly lie, you know they do and they know that you know they lie. It's our fault because we don't insist on better.
It's worth getting your hands on the full transcript of that press conference, there was one questioner (journalist?) that gave him heaps, asked questions that were straight to the point. The journalist made him look and sound the incompetent fool that he is, has & always will be. What a joke :ugh: |
We're not the only ones who think our Politicians are dragging their feet in regard to Airport infrastructure:
THE OECD has singled out Australia for needing to improve infrastructure development as it predicts air traffic to double, freight to triple and port activity to quadruple world-wide by 2030. The Strategic Transport Infrastructure Needs to 2030 report found that most of the current infrastructure world-wide could not handle even a 50% increase in demand. ........................... In releasing the report the OECD said: “Some countries have begun linking strategic infrastructure planning to long-term infrastructure funds, as is the case in Canada, Denmark, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.” “But other countries, including Australia, India and the United States, should improve financing mechanisms to ensure funding is consistent with strategic infrastructure needs.” OECD International Futures Programme spokesperson Barrie Stevens said the system of State and Commonwealth Governments had made infrastructure planning difficult in Australia. While some of those problems have been addressed by the creation of an infrastructure agency three years ago, there was still need for better long term planning. “In 2010, 2011 Australia had big problems getting products and raw materials out of its ports. Port handling is really stretched, Newcastle is chock-a-block and so is the West Coast.” Mr Stevens said Australia really needed to plan for increased airport capacity. “There seems to be capacity problems and also problems getting people in and out of the airport.” Upgrading key infrastructure will drive competitiveness, boost trade and promote economic growth. But new ways of financing are needed as the traditional model of public funding for major projects is likely to dry up. “Australia needs to identify what they think is critical infrastructure to the economy at a national level and to develop a better long term view for new rail roads, new port facilities and air traffic management. A lot of countries do this on a reactive basis.” “The recession is not going to last forever and after it many countries will be caught with overstretched facilities.” “It helps to know where the money is coming from. How much is going to come from taxpayers? From user fees? From businesses? Once you have that start then it gives planning more credibility. A number of countries have an infrastructure fund. The UK has one, that Canadians do this, it’s nothing new under the sun.” “Australia is sitting pretty at the moment. East Asia and South Asia is where a lot of the world’s growth is going to come from. Australia is well placed to be part of that. The question is whether they have the infrastructure to handle that growth.” Read more: Australia needs to improve infrastructure planning: OECD | News.com.au Just ask Albo and the Sydney Airport CEO !!! |
So - hands up who think that coalition Government would develop a new airport for Sydney?
Remember they were in Government for 11 years and did NOTHING. Absolutely nothing! |
Albanese is the 'Minister for Folly'.
This governemnt is a joke. If they are required to spend a cent on anything that doesn't relate to themselves such as payrises, generous super increases, rorts and study trips, then they won't action it. Now you have a desperate Swan fingering billionaires for being influential? What a farkin joke. Politicians are the most manipulative, deceitful, lying sacks of sh#t on the planet, and Swanny has the nerve to deflect to big Clive, Gina and friends? Tools. |
IMHO.....
When Swanny et.al say that the "Rich" people are doing bad things what are they really saying..........
That they (the pollies) ARE improperly / unduly influenced by this money ? That they (the pollies) ARE so scared of opinion polls that they govern for the polls and not the people ? That the "Rich People" are actually doing something illegal and the pollies cannot / will not do anything about it ? ST |
Theres going to be some angry people at the Bingara Gorge Estate. This is a high end development, up to 4000sm blocks and some very large houses have been built.
Now that Wilton has been mentioned again, the houses already built will be virtually unsellable. Bingara Gorge | Overview |
Our Treasurer should have a working knowledge of The Corporations Act 2001 which states with no ambiguity that a director of a company under their jurisdiction owes his/ or her duty of care to the shareholder members and that those members "are" the company.
If Forrest were to do otherwise he would be in breach of that Act and ASIC would then have the reason they have been looking for to prosecute him. Either Swan is ignorant of the Corporations law and the fiduciary duties of Forrest, (he is supposed to be the Treasurer who should know these things), or he is aware of it and is telling lies to the Nation once again. How did he think he could get away with this? He is not acting in "the Nation's interest" but treating the Nation with contempt. He makes me sick!:yuk: |
I agree with you Frank.
What Company doesn't try to influence events ... for it's (and its shareholder's) benefit? What Government doesn't try to influence events ... for it's (and its constituents') benefit? What Organisation doesn't try to influence events ... for it's (and its membership's) benefit? What Trade Union doesn't try to influence events ... for it's (and its members') benefit? What Individual doesn't try to influence events ... for his or hers own benefit? That's all part of how our world works. That's not saying that some of those groups are more successful at it than others, or that some have more resources available to help them do it. That's just the reality. For a Government Treasurer to imply that this natural process in "naughty", beggars belief. :{ |
Well it's official nothing is going to happen.
Probably the outcome MacBank wanted, and as a result SYD will be at gridlock probably in about 5 years if growth rates continues. And given that the train is going to be far more destructive to the environment that a airport will ever be makes this whole thing ridiculous. How many trees are to be cut down for the train? What's the carbon footprint of the steel in the rails? This country is rapidly become a joke. :mad: Premier's go-slow will strangle Sydney | thetelegraph.com.au And in another blow for Sydney's infrastructure, Mr O'Farrell said yesterday someone should build a fast rail to Canberra and expand the airport there. "You ... know the attitude of the state government to a second Sydney airport - that is it shouldn't be built in Sydney and if we're sensible, we want to be modern; let's build that fast rail link to the federal capital and let's use Canberra Airport for whatever additional capacity for flights," Mr O'Farrell said. A federal government study on high speed rail found the cost of a Sydney to Canberra link would cost between $10.9 billion and $24.5 billion, depending on the exact route. Mr Sturgess, a former top bureaucrat in NSW, has declared servicing Parramatta and the missing road links - especially the M4 East - were absolutely critical to take Sydney out of its infrastructure crisis. The state government needed as a second priority to take ownership of a second airport. "The decision on a location for a second Sydney airport must be made now," Mr Sturgess said. Federal Infrastructure Minister Anthony Albanese's office confirmed yesterday that without Mr O'Farrell's co-operation, no second airport could be built. Momentum must become action "Sydney needs a vision that anticipates and shapes the future," Mr Albanese said. "Without a second airport Sydney's economy will stagnate, threatening not only its position as Australia's number one global city but also the nation's future economic opportunities. "Sydney is already losing out. Last year the number of international flights going to Melbourne grew four times faster than those coming to Sydney, which translates into fewer local jobs and slower economic growth." An RTA document, from 2009, said the M5 duplication was critical partly because Sydney Airport will have more than double the passengers by the early 2020s. Infrastructure NSW is expected to recommend that project first over the M4 East because the M5 would cost $5 billion to build and the M4 East would cost $10 billion. Opposition Leader John Robertson said: "The self-proclaimed 'Infrastructure Premier' is yet to even tell the people of Sydney what major projects he intends to build or how he will fund the roads and rail lines that Sydney so desperately needs." |
Fatty O'Barrell and Tony Albo what a great doulble . Dumb and dumber. Can someone please save us from these clowns
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So, we now have an incoming Liberal Premier to blame for the disinterest demonstrated by a plethora of both State and Federal governments of years gone by.
Good one Albo. I noticed Swan blaming some of the fiscal crisis on the legacy left by the last Liberal incumbants. Good one Swanny. Pity nobody believes any of your crud any more. The airport should be moved to Alice Springs. |
Mascotectomy......
Of course the Minister For Bad Teeth is postulating. He has just over 12 months to go before he gets sh#t canned by the Australian voters!
I would say he will pop up in the future, in a couple of years time as a consultant for some future goverent looking at the same infrastructure fantasies they are Stalling on now. A life time funded gravy train for this life and into the next for a parasitic politician cum ex politician. As for the reality of funding such a project as a new SYD airport, these incompetent assclowns cant even replace a couple of parking meters let alone oversight something of this scale. The government won't do it because they can't do it - dumbasses. It would turn into a 100 billion dollar clusterf#ck. They would probably accidentally dig up the revolutionary broadband network by mistake and shut Australia down literally! Wheres the 'tin foil fairy' when you need him? I can see it now, a plethora or screw ups - BER, batts, Collins submarines, Broadband, SYD airport............. |
"Sydney needs a vision that anticipates and shapes the future," Mr Albanese said. "Without a second airport Sydney's economy will stagnate, threatening not only its position as Australia's number one global city but also the nation's future economic opportunities. |
More matter with less art.
GD - Of course the Minister For Bad Teeth is postulating. He has just over 12 months to go before he gets sh#t canned by the Australian voters!. I've always remembered this classic statement from a Qld Coroner- Coroner Barnes - In prosecuting these allegations over ten pages of its submissions, CASA reminds one of the oft quoted observations made by Hamlet’s mother, Queen Gertrude, when viewing the travelling players. CASA’s submission seeks to down-play the allegation. etc. A is for – take your pick. |
Now here's some lateral thinking .....
let's assume that Federal Labor will be ousted at the next election. That means the Liberals will be in power. I suggest we start a campaign to re-elect Albo. Yes, you heard me ... re-elect Albo. If the Liberals are in power and Albo is the member for Sydney Airport, I can see all sorts of improvements at YSSY ... because there can be no voter backlash. |
There's some great stuff on the airport issues on the Sydney Daily Telegraph, and has been on Plane Talking earlier on too.
I'm surprised how little people bother to look up on this. Badgery's Creek is owned by the Feds. It is an airport that would cost taxpayers nothing because if it gets built it first gets sold to whoever is going to build it. It's free, and it's needed. The airport line is already being extended to Leppington with a huge rail overpass at Glenfields today. There is a bloody great big two track permanent way being built just across the norhern edges of the golf course near Campbelltown. Yet people kept saying it will cost taxpayers money. What's happening is that tax payer money is being spent big time now on what will double as access improvements for Badgerys Creek, but what happens on the site is going to be paid for by Mac Bank or someone like that. Leppington isn't far from where you would put a terminal at Badgery's Creek. The east hills line and the line between Glenfields the main western line near Lidcombe are being duplicated to four tracks now. Sandilands says this is evidence that the public servants have taken matters into their own hands under the guise of improving existing trunk routes for City Rail and freight users. I looked up some of the photos on rail sites and Googling Glenfields and this is a huge amount of engineering going on, so I think he might be right. I looked up the papers on this. If Sydney Airport refuses its first right of refusal to build on the site, it can be sold to whoever will pay the biggest number of billions to screw the public and the airlines in the future, just like Sydney Airport today. Except that there will be some competition between the airports. If Albanese had a pair he'd just go ahead and say the airport site is available for X billion bucks to whoever wants to build it. |
I'm concerned here about the lack of rational common sense thinking about a Second Sydney airport.
The trouble is that you are thinking logically and not politically. The reality is that a Sydney second airport will only be built when the politics are right. You can forget all the BS about gridlock, congestion, etc. because the people who get things done in NSW don't care. A second Sydeny airport will be built when: 1. The rich cats in the Sydney property development and merchant banking community work out how to make billions out of the project - perhaps by building One new airport and redeveloping Mascot as a suburb. 2. The Union heirarchies work out how to make $$$$ for themselves along with the groups in (1) and forward their political careers at the same time. 3. The Sydney "push" (groups 1 & 2) work out how to screw Melbourne and Brisbane for industry development by maximising the difficulty of International passengers transiting to Melbourne and Brisbane. For example, put all domestic traffic at the new airport and leave international at Mascot. 4. All Three groups work out how to get Australians as a whole to pay for Sydneys new airport. Frankly, I hope it never gets built and Sydney chokes on its own traffic. Then perhaps Melbourne and Brisbane will get more attention and more direct flights to international destinations. |
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