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dogsfatass 7th Oct 2011 01:44

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He said the airline had been spending time with Japanese authorities getting a licensing approach approved and had been recruiting Japanese pilots for the past two years "ahead of the curve" so they could get line experience before moving back into Japan.


?? The only Japanese pilots in the system are the ones at 3K. And I can tell you that the majority (in fact every single one of them I have flown with) have absolutely no intention of returning to Japan. They're quite happy in SIN on a lower tax rate.

And I'm suuuurrrre QF guys are just climbing over themselves to go and take a ****ty job with ****ty pay and live in a ****ty little apartment near NRT or HND (excluding a few that might want a management title. And good luck to you dealing with that mob up there).

I simply cannot believe the garbage that comes from this man's mouth.

TAC inop. 7th Oct 2011 01:58

Where's your link, Dog?....I cant find it
....it would be a fantastic spin, I'm sure.

MACH082 7th Oct 2011 02:40

Is this guy a pathological liar?

I remember watching the senate enquiry and even Alan Joyce had to step in and pull the reins on him a couple of times. That is saying something. After all, this is the guy who calls his frontline staff rouge kamikazes. To even suggest this after the events of 9/11 yet alone the events of WW2 is deplorable.

I'm aghast we can have men like these in charge of an Australian airline. Whatever happened to men like Howard Hughes? Reg Ansett? Jaun Trippe? Visionaries passionate about aviation. Not bean counters trying to make a name for themselves.

A classic example of his contempt for moral behaviour or corporate ethics is his interlude under the covers a while back. Surely this is a case of him believing he is above the standards required of other employees? I believe a flight attendant was sacked for the same thing!

Then management crying about mainline not returning cost of capital News flash retards, aviation never has! This is the industry Qantas is in. If you want better returns for your five billion dollars, go dig a hole in the Pilbara and shut the airline down. Simple.

Aviation loses money, but the flow on effects and the industries it supports are where the true value lies.

dogsfatass 7th Oct 2011 03:16

Jetstar hunts pilots for Japanese joint-venture | The Australian

Just look at the head on it.

Makes me cringe.

TAC inop. 7th Oct 2011 03:41

Thanks Dog....funny stuff
Maybe they'll just employ some of the 2,000 JAL pilots the retrenched in the last 12 months
Odd ....real odd
We cant touch this with J* current wage structure, unless you're keen on rice and a little rat meat, and sleeping in the train station.

TAC inop. 7th Oct 2011 03:45

....and, the last time I saw a head like that, it had a hook in it !

Anthill 7th Oct 2011 03:50

JCAB licence involved about 6 months of ground school...:eek:

TAC inop. 7th Oct 2011 03:54

...on a J* training wage?
Hahahaha
.......how much would they charge the pilots for that!....Salary sacrifice in the true sense :rolleyes:

tarmac12 7th Oct 2011 04:10

Where does it state?
 
Tac inop,

If you look on the Careers section of the Jetstar website it is very specific that you must have those 2 criteria.

Angle of Attack 7th Oct 2011 04:43

Wow it is a real pain in the you know where to go through the red tape of a JCAB ATPL, plus the japanese medical is a nightmare in itself, you would need a few months minimum just to get the theory out of the way let alone the line training. Wonder if they will pay more than the Air Japan contracts? somehow I doubt it!

TAC inop. 7th Oct 2011 06:21

...oh yup, I see it now, thanks 'mac.

So, why even bother to fish in Australian waters then? ( no real pun intended)
Some Aussies have had a JCAB...but not the right to full Japanese residency.
To satisfy those 2 criteria...you'd have to had worked there before...and be married to a Japanese.....or be Japanese.
...Dunno about you lot, but I dunno anyone with those 2 under their belt.
So, why the hell advertise here?
....maybe its to state that they tried everyone in Oz first, but we didn't make the 'stringent selection criteria blah blah spin something something Dark Side'.
Who cares anyway, it wont pay enough for those comming from offshore.
:ugh:

Fruet Mich 7th Oct 2011 06:28

These clowns have been given the keys to daddy's car, they're going to roll bowl and ass hole it, run the tank empty and sadly they will give it back to dad f&@$ed with no gas. Very sad. I see they are taking over more of Qantas premium money making routes in the shape of most of the Tasman Queenstown flying.

What ever this BB is smoking, I'd like some! He still can't get crew for his ****ty conditions in NZ and cancels flights regularly.

Tell em he's dreaming

aussie027 7th Oct 2011 06:28

They are taking apps for "Aust/NZ Sing and Vietnam" too.

So what is the real deal, are they actually looking for Aust based crews on Aust EBA and if so what base do the new recruits go to??? Is it Darwin for everyone or do you get a choice if there are spots open other places??

ohallen 7th Oct 2011 07:15

Seems like they have no real idea where they are going and just jumping from place to place until they run out of options.

Many of those options seem to be appearing with little if any due diligence or commercial assessment other than driving down costs.

This is going to end badly, the only question is how badly.

SOPS 7th Oct 2011 07:25

Does BB actually understand (or care) that a pilot just cant go to Japan and start flying around, it is a long and complicated process, and as someone else mentioned, what about the right to live and work there in the first place?

I think AJ and BB are way out of thier depth here.

MACH082 7th Oct 2011 07:47

I can see the Japanese queuing up to work for the Gweilos .....

KRUSTY 34 7th Oct 2011 07:48

So let me get this straight. They are about to expand? Hello! Is that right?

Could've fooled me.

gobbledock 7th Oct 2011 08:10


Most of the employees in Bourke St have no front line operational experience. Including management, and therefore not much clue. It is these employees that are tasked with the drawing up and implementation of the endless "policies" we see promulgated around here.
Warren9 spot on the money! The last 5 years has seen a virtual removal/driving out/redundancy/pineappling of experienced operational people, management and some other people with a quality aviation background. The place is now run by uni grads, ex uni grads and kiddies who have had absolutely no frontline operational experience whatsoever, FACT. During the volcanic ash excitement and the Jap earthquake they went into meltdown, panicked, fell apart and proved they are incapable of making the 'big decisons' when the shisen truly hits the fan.
Generation Y runs the orange outfit and most have no life skills and would be a blubbering mess without Ffacebook, Twatter, Ipads and every other people skill/communication eroding piece of technolgy.

A truly foolish outfit managed by kindergarten babies.

Fuji San 7th Oct 2011 08:13

Goodluck getting anyone unless you're paying the bucks !

I've been with a Japanese carrier for just on 10 years and I can tell you there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that anyone up here will accept a fulltime postion in Japan on JQ pay. Not after the trouble you go through to get your
ticket here.

As for the JCAB ATPL, sorry but there are no short cuts. You can look forward to 7 months training if you hold a JCAB ATPL and type rating and around 12 months if you don't. :ugh:

If you are rated , it wont really count here, you have to do it again, that will take about 6 months. :ugh:

All of that done under the firm but friendly hand of JACAB, something to look forward too :O

Around 80% of the guys who have ever applied here also fail the medical, I did my initial in Sydney, that took 3 days. :ugh:

Goodluck , waiting with bated breath :rolleyes:

PS 2000 JAL guys out of work..... that number is far from correct

Bad to the bone 7th Oct 2011 09:11

Mach082 Mr Pedantic here, perhaps you meant Gaijin as Gweilo is chinese....................


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